Tuesday, June 14, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] An Open Letter for the Flag Bearers of Anti-Corruption Movement

Dear Sarbajit Roy,
Thanks for your all subsequent clarifications. Only one thing I wish to state that please refer to following original statements made by and references to Shrimad Bhagvad Gita & Upnisads and subsequent endeavor to other quotes from holy Scriptures.
Regards,
Mukund Parikh

1) We should accept that corruption is a reality which cannot be eradicated.

2) We should strive to be pure, devout and honest ourselves.

3) We should question everyone and everything.

4)  We should strive to be so perfect that every lower Truthseeker must learn from us. Similarly we should l;earn from more advanced/evolved Truthseekers.

What I am saying above is not my own views, but from the Bhagvad Gita and the Oopanishads,


From: Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 13 June 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] An Open Letter for the Flag Bearers of Anti-Corruption Movement

Please carry on the discussion there are many readers on this thread

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mukund
I'm glad we are having this discussion (although perhaps this is not the right forum)
I based my comments on both the Bhagvad Gita as well as the Upanishads (you seem to be focussing only on the Gita now having conceded that the Upanishads are suspect)
For example I had indicated a source in Upanishads where corruption (ie. bad, decay, foulness) etc as eternal as good, sweetness etc. Here is what the Gita says on evil (these are very well known phrases which need no commentary from any of those great names)
4.7  Whenever good declines and evil ascends I am born.
4.8  To eridicate evil I am born from age to age.
So it is clear that good and evil exist through the ages and occur in cosmic cycles. For every Christ there is also an anti-Christ . You are confused which one is good and which one is bad, because neither is pure (and both are the same) for without anti-matter the universes cannot exist and be reborn.
Sarbajit
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:24 AM, mukund parikh <mkppm@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Sarbajit Roy,
Please bear with me your below given explanations are out of context from your original reference to Shrimad Bhagwad Gita etc. It is one & only one comprising of 700 Shlokas. Whether you refer to commentary of all enriched souls like Ramakrishna Paramhans, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Chinmayananda Swami Ramdas, Ram Sukhdasji, Gandhji, Vinoba Bhave, Pandurang Shastri & many many more ultimate nectar is described is same by all. It is really inexplicable your interpretation any of 700 shlokas relating to your statements.  
Regards,
Mukund Parikh
Sent: Sunday, 12 June 2011 6:53 PM

Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] An Open Letter for the Flag Bearers of Anti-Corruption Movement

Dear Mukund
Sorry for not replying earlier.
You can pick any of the Upanishads. For example the Chandogya Upanishad's 2nd chapter of Part 1, describes how both gods and devils are offspring of a common "father" and how "good" and "bad" always exist till the time of death. Although Indians (especially North / Aryan Indians) have been conditioned that gods="devas" and demons="asuras", In other Aryan Central Asian cultures "devas"=devils and "ahuras"="gods". So keep this in mind. In fact in mythical terms the Indo-Aryans were the "losers" who came (retreated) to India (via Africa BTW) after losing in Persia.
Another Khanda I find very useful in the Chandogya is Chapter III of Part 8.
Since you have repeatedly pressed me on this point, I shall openly state the bitter truth ---> that today's HINDUS only have copies (however corrupted and distorted they may be) because of the MUSLIMS (secular MUGHAL emperors) who PRESERVED Urdu / Persian versions of them in their libraries.
So you may use any version of what passes as the Chandogya (other sacred books) to get my points.
SarbajitOn Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:34 PM, mukund parikh <mkppm@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Sarbajit Roy,
I shall be glad to know relative quotes of Rammohun Roy and modifications by Ramakrishna Paramhans, Swami Vivekananda 
which you have linked. This will add to my perceptions.
Regards,
Mukund Parikh
Sent: Friday, 10 June 2011 6:03 PM

Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] An Open Letter for the Flag Bearers of Anti-Corruption Movement
Dear Mukund
As you know the original texts of our ancient scriptures are not available to anyone. Nor are there any authentic or universally acceptable copies. I am relying upon the versions used by Rammohun Roy (and later with modifications by Ramakrishna Paramhans, Swami Vivekananda etc) - these are quite different from the versions generally used by persons outside Bengal so I do not want to be in any controversy on this score.
You may refer to your own versions and extract what I have said.
SarbajitOn Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:31 PM, mukund parikh <mkppm@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Sarbajit Roy,
Thanks for quoting in name of Bhagvad Gita and upanishads. Please give cross ref vis-a-vis your ref & quotations in holy scriptures.
Regards,
Mukund parikh







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