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Re: [HumJanenge] Digest for HumJanenge@googlegroups.com - 6 Messages in 2 Topics

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On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:49 PM, <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com> wrote:

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    jaiprakash narain <coljpn@yahoo.co.in> Oct 18 10:27AM +0530 ^
     
    Yes, there can't be any smoke with out fire,there must be some thing going on under the table quitely.Though once in parliament there can't be any thing in quite,so let us see once it is tabled.
     
     
     
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    From: lokesh batra <batra_lokesh@yahoo.com>
    To:
    Sent: Monday, 17 October 2011 11:13 PM
    Subject: [HumJanenge] [HumJanenge-YG] FLASH: RTI Amendment Bill No. 70 of 2011 : Private Member Bill
     
     

     

    17 Oct 2011
     
    I have just come to know about a Private Member (Bhausaheb R. Wakcharu, MP - Shiv Sena) Bill No 70 0f 2011
     
    titled  "THE RIGHT TO INFORMATION (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2011 dated 02 August 2011 is listed in Lok Sabha.
     
    A copy of the bill is attached
     
    Lok Sabha website Link :
     
    http://164.100.24.219/BillsTexts/LSBillTexts/asintroduced/1263LS.pdf
     
    More Later.
     
    Best
    Commodore Lokesh Batra (Retd.)
    Social & RTI Activist
    BringChange
    In Mumbai
     
    www.bringchange.org

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    vinay singh <vinay4299@gmail.com> Oct 18 10:44AM +0530 ^
     
    A private member's bill has very little chance of being passed. If the
    present Govt wants to amend the RTI Act, it will have to introduce the bill
    itself. Perhaps it is just testing the waters. A similar exercsie was
    carried ou recently, when Manish Teari introduced the THE INTELLIGENCE
    SERVICES (POWERS AND REGULATION) BILL, 2011 in March, which sought to give
    wide ranging powers to the intelligence agencies, under the garb of making
    them accountable. It died a natural death, after many activists strongly
    criticised it. The same exercsie will have to be undertaken by RTI
    activists.
     
     
     
    Maj Gen VK Singh
     

     

    Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> Oct 18 06:03PM +0530 ^
     
    Whenever any doubt is cast evidence has to be adduced in support of the
    same.None is available.
    No one can throw bay with bath water.
    If misuse of any provision is identified and is well documented and
    researched, suitable remedy,out of large optios available,needs to be
    suggested.Mere kite-flying by Govt/Private Member(possibly Govt in disguise)
    wouldn't do.
    The subject is dominated by stalwarts in law,and hence ANY,JUST
    ANY,amendment,or even attempt thereof wouldn't carry muster.
    spm
     

     

    "Nisarg Vyas" <nisarg_vyas@rediffmail.com> Oct 17 04:26PM ^
     
    Dear friend,Mr. Rajesh Pandey has asked the RTI solution for the problem which seems to come under local body as mention in his query. Anyways, please recommend him from the groups domain.
    Thanks
    From: "Rajesh A. Pandey" &lt;rajeshapandey@gmail.com&gt;
    Sent: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:43:21
    To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
    Subject: [HumJanenge] First Time: Need Help!
    Dear Friends @ Hum Janenge,
     
     
     
    Greetings!!
     
     
     
    I am using this forum for the first time to seek help &amp; guidance from all of you for a small issue that touches the lives of around 450 Families in a small but growing town called Thane in Maharashtra.
     
     
     
    We live in housing complex of 13 buildings in the outskirts of Thane city near Upvan Lake. For approximately 3500 residents &amp; adjoining settlements/gaonthan, we do not have a designated park or an open designated space.
     
     
     
    We have an open space surrounded by our buildings designated as "Land for Displaced" with an area of around 3000 Sq. Meters in government records. This space has been slowly encroached by local shanties &amp; a local builder has kept his men on the land.
     
     
     
    However major portion of the land is still open &amp; we want to use this as public play ground or convert it into a park for which the apex body is ready to contribute. Currently we are maintaining the remaining open space as a small ground.
     
     
     
    I want to know:
     
     
     
    1. How can we get rid of the encroachment using the RTI?
     
     
     
    2. Can we use RTI to convert the reservation on the land from Resettlement for Displaced to Green Zone?
     
     
     
    3. How can we force the local body which is Thane Municipal Council to atleast clear whatever is available &amp; create a boundary around the space?
     
     
     
    Need Help!!! &nbsp;
     
    Warm regards,
     
     
     
    Rajesh A. Pandey
     
    Thane, Maharashtra,
     
    India.
     
    rajeshapandey@gmail.com
     
    # +91-9833377777
     
     
     
    Repeat, Review, Reuse. Most important, Recycle for better tomorrow.

     

    "Mahesh Khera" <mkkhera@yahoo.com> Oct 18 01:50AM ^
     
    Dear Mr Rajesh, happy to know ur thoughts. HJ has very high class intellect as we all have seen. I am sure even its moderation will touch dizzy heights one day as saner voices will always find their rightful place in this power evolving universe. Keep going and as a responsible community, realize your aims through collective means and fearlessly bereft of any individual false ego or false pride. All the best.
    Warm regards,
    Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: "Rajesh A. Pandey" <rajeshapandey@gmail.com>
    Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
    Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 04:05:43
    To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; <csindelin@yahoo.com>
    Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] First Time: Need Help!
     
    Thank you Arun Ji,
     
    For the guidance & understanding the challenge we are facing.
     
    Have received very good & valuable suggestions from members of HumJanenge. I will put all the views across to the active members of our apex body & decide the next steps in consultation with them.
     
    We will keep updating the steps taken & outcomes on the group. Am sure we would try to reach a solution to the challenge being faced.
     
     
    Warm regards,
     
    Rajesh A. Pandey
    Thane, Maharashtra,
    India.
    rajeshapandey@gmail.com
    # +91-9833377777
     
    Repeat, Review, Reuse. Most important, Recycle for better tomorrow.
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: csindelin@yahoo.com
    Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
    Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 21:33:02
    To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
    Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] First Time: Need Help!
     
    Dear Mr. Pandey,
     
    1. How can we get rid of the encroachment using the RTI?
     
    Please write a letter/petition to Thane Municipal Council along with photographic and video graphic evidence of encroachment supported by statements of at least two eye witness and if possible secretary and chairman of each society buildings.
    Then follow it up vigorously through RTI to know what action has been taken by Municipal Authorities to evacuate the illegal encroachment.
     
    2. Can we use RTI to convert the reservation on the land from Resettlement for Displaced to Green Zone?
     
    You may ask through RTI to know the norms for converting land reserved for displaced to Green Zone. Once you know the norms and if you feel you can abide by those norms then again write a letter/petition and follow it up through RTI.
     
    3. How can we force the local body which is Thane Municipal Council to atleast clear whatever is available & create a boundary around the space?
     
    Its a criminal offence to encroach upon Govt. Land. With all supporting proofs of encroachment make a petition praying that it is in the larger public interest that Thane Municipal Council must clear or create a boundary around the space. Again follow up the Petition through RTI to know what steps the Municipal council has taken.
     
    Mr. Roy have you ever visited Thane suburbs? Do you know what is a housing society?? Do you know how encroachment happens in Thane and Mumbai by unscrupulous Builders?
     
    I am sure enough that without appreciating facts, situations and without even applying your brain you suggested the below points to Mr. Pandey to which I am answering:
     
    1) Why are you trying to selfishly impose your middle class views on a statutory planning process ?
     
    Mr. Pandey is trying to save a piece of Govt. Land which is slowly being encroached by unscrupulous builders.
    Now how Mr. Pandey is trying to selfishly imposing his middle class views on a statutory planning process? He wants to use RTI in a larger public interest.

    2) If a site is shown as "land for dispossessed" then ought it not to be used for that purpose ?
     
    How and why you have assumed or presumed that if the land has marked for dispossed has to be used for that purpose even though lakhs of people will live without any greenery or park because the stupid statutory planning process happened hand in gloves with the builder?
     
    3) Town Planning is a holistic multi-layer heirarchial process. Myopic interference by ignorant people is the bane of professional planners with decades of experience and all the qualifications to match.
     
    These poetic words are devoid of any substance rather highlights your ignorance about the corruption that is happening in town planning process of Thane.
     
     
    This is a member intervention cautioning you the Moderator from demoralizing members by jumping into conclusion without even knowing or appreciating facts and giving misleading suggestion .
     
    Best Regards,
    CS Arun Dash
    Sent on my BlackBerry® Smart Phone
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
    Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
    Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:42:54
    To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; <mpisgplanner@yahoo.com>
    Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] First Time: Need Help!
     
    Dear Rajesh
     
    1) Why are you trying to selfishly impose your middle class views on a
    statutory planning process ?
     
    2) If a site is shown as "land for dispossessed" then ought it not to be
    used for that purpose ?
     
    3) Town Planning is a holistic multi-layer heirarchial process. Myopic
    interference by ignorant people is the bane of professional planners with
    decades of experience and all the qualifications to match.
     
    Sarbajit
     
    On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Rajesh A. Pandey

     

    Health Today <healthtodayindia@gmail.com> Oct 18 10:53AM +0530 ^
     
    dear according to my experience forst you & others resident lodge the
    complaint to different related authority by regestered post.and after
    one week you send RTI application on this complaint, like what action
    on my & other complaint regarding this encroachment.who official
    responsible for stop the encrochment.what action in this matter by
    responsible official.
    suggestion- RTI filed on this senstive matter by 2-3 diffrent person name.
    Ramesh verma
    National rti Awardi
    mob-09254058674
     
    On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Rajesh A. Pandey

     


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