Thursday, December 29, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: 100 Years of our National Anthem washed away by corrupt activists

So long as you are rational, logical etc, I have no problems. The moment u start preaching killings of activists as a solution for India to rid itself of corruption, I leave it to the honorable members of the Group to form their own opinions about u.
Warm regards,
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-----Original Message-----
From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:42:06
To: HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005<HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: 100 Years of our National Anthem washed away by
corrupt activists

Dear Col Khera

To appreciate the statement I made (and which reasoned / rational
statement I stand by - and considering it is not the first time I have
written something similar) you must appreciate all the points which
come before it.

Like a matador waving a red cape, all the charging bulls are led to
the slaughter house. Such devices help me to identify who the
intelligent members are (with whom I can meaningfully discuss many
interesting things off this list) and which are the brain-washed
shining happy people living in their cozy comfort bubbles.

PS: As a student of military history, I'm sure you recall that the
crusaders comprehensively lost the "Holy War" and that the world is
still suffering from their misguided / political efforts and we would
have been much better off without them. [http://
www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Religion/crusades.htm]

Sarbajit

On Dec 29, 6:55 pm, Mahesh Khera <mkkh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit,
>
> In my opinion, your statement "The more activist citizens who are killed thebetter" is diabolical, anti national and anti humanity which is likely to encourage the corrupt class of netas, babus, police, judges, corp houses and who ever is involved in looting the nation to get the crusaders against them eliminated. This is highly condemnable. You owe an explanation to all the honorable members of this HJ Group as to whether you stand by your above statement or it just came in the heat of the moment of your thoughts.
>
> If you stand by it, please immediately unsubscribe me from this Group.
>
> With warm regards,
>
> Col Mahesh Khera
>
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2011 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] 100 Years of our National Anthem washed away by corrupt activists
>
> Dear Mr Gaba
>
> 1)  To eliminate corruption, you must PAY the public servants enough
> NOT to be corrupt. Can our nation afford this ?
>
> 2) To eliminate corruption you must have a strong, honest and well
> paid POLICE force. Do you want India to be a "poilice state" ?
>
> 3) To eliminate corruption you must have compulsory military service
> and the death penalty routinely applied. Will you "Gandhians" accept
> this ??
>
> Instead what you pseudo-secularist apologists, who push Anna-ism as
> the panacea to end corruption, opt for is the SOFT OPTION, the EASY
> OPTION, the USELESS OPTION.
>
> This is not the time for "homeopathic" cures - you have to blast the
> monster. Politicians are not the disease - its the public that votes
> for them that is. The more activist citizens who are killed the
> better.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 12/29/11, Prem Gaba <premg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dear Col Khera,
>
> > You have expressed your unbiased views in an excellent manner & I am sure
> > other members of this august forum will also  support them since thats the
> > reality.
>
> > There is no doubt  that if the politicians could be  tamed, rest of the
> > corrupts in  bureaucracy & elsewhere  will automatically fall in line.
>
> > If we recall the Nehru-Shastri period ,corruption was minimal because
> > majority of the netas then were honest . They   belonged to Gandhi era & had
> > seen/participated in  the independence struggle &  partition from close
> > quarters & could not even think of corruption. Corrupt babus were looked
> > down upon then. But today, unfortunately the corrupts call the shots .
>
> > Public is fed up of these corrupts who decide the fate of the nation & thus
> > common man .
> > Thats why  Anna & Team got spontaneous support from Public & media alike .
> > Instead of talking about the strong Lokpal Bill these politicians have been
> > busy in diverting public attention by  mud slinging & trying to  fix  Anna &
> > the Team. Kejriwal very  well challenged them,   " Bring a strong Lokpal
> > bill & prosecute each one of us too  if we have done any wrong & give us
> > twice the punishment ."  If Anna was found guilty in the  report why has he
> > not been  prosecuted & punished so far?
>
> > The developments taking place in Parliament so far indicate that the Nation
> > will get a weak bill ,if it  gets one. And this is exactly what the
> > Politico-Bureaucrat combine wants.
>
> > The struggle against corruption is going to be long & tough & will be won if
> > public & media continued its unstinted support to the IAC & other such org.
>
> > Warm Regards
>
> > Prem Gaba
>
> > Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:10:37 -0800
> > From: mkkh...@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] 100 Years of our National Anthem washed away by
> > corrupt activists
> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> > Dear Mr Sarbajit,
>
> > India needs to protect itself from the corrupt netas. Actually, each one of
> > us has seen in last 63 years that cascading effect of loot unleashed by a
> > large number of corrupt netas has encouraged a larger number of babus,
> > police, judges and some corp houses also to make hay while the sun shines.
> > Worst, majority of these are never tried and if it is done they go scot
> > free. Thus, if corrupt netas can be investigated, prosecuted and punished
> > within a reasonable time period of six months to a year, the follow up chain
> > of corrupt babus, police, judges and corp houses would automatically become
> > cleaner. Only Anna has galvanized the nation and sent shivers down the
> > politicians and forced them to bring a bill which might deter quite a few
> > from looting your and my money.
>
> > You have seen the effect, after 42 years, sensing a huge dent in their vote
> > bank, a Lok Pal has been hurriedly passed by UPA in Lok Sabha out of fear of
> > votes only. It is amazing how UPA literally got scared only from the people
> > force which Anna brought together in Delhi.
>
> > What was Anna earlier and what would he be in future does not concern people
> > like me. Anna in the present is a force to reckon with, people love him and
> > most politicians and very few journalists hate him. With the support of the
> > people, he has hit them at the place where it hurts them the most ie votes.
> > Terming him a tout by you in your mail is purely your own opinion which the
> > honorable members of HJ Group are at liberty to decide for themselves
> > whether to train their guns or shower flowers.
>
> > With warm regards,
>
> > Col Mahesh Khera
>
> > From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> > To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2011 11:37 PM
> > Subject: [HumJanenge] 100 Years of our National Anthem washed away by
> > corrupt activists
>
> > Today is the 100th anniversary of the National Anthem.
>
> > Today is also the day when a bunch of "touts" (as identified by a
> > Supreme Court Judge after hearing detailed evidence) have manipulated
> > Parliament (or at least 1 house) into passing a farcical law seeking
> > to end corruption.
>
> > Since the National Anthem is also my religion's hymn (well before Mr.
> > Nehru heard it at Doon School where it was also the "school song"),
> > its time to introspect.
>
> > 1) God save our country now.
> > 2) Pick up your guns and start defending your nation against these touts
>
> > Sarbajit

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