Saturday, April 16, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption

Dear all , Only with JAN LOK PAL Bill curbing corruption is not possible , Electrol reforms , Bringing major change in Criminal procedure code , Civil Procedure codes , Mining policies , Land acquisition policy etc  to ensure corruption cases heard and decided on priority and to acquire the corrupt peoples assets to government account 

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Baritlum Ama <baritlumama@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sirs/Madames

" Jan Lok Pal Bill" is one step leap towards curbing corruption and
along with it

"ELectoral Reform" is one of the most important which need to be
addressed on topmost priority to curb the Corruption.

ama

On 4/16/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir
>
> I can suggest a foolproof way to reach the masses - it is better known as
> the "Alagiri formula"
> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/litmus-test-for-dmk-in-alagiris-lab/1/135060.html
>
> Unfortunately you are somewhat behind the times, after factoring in
> inflation it is a 200 HUNDRED DOLLAR QUESTION
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Justice Kamleshwar Nath <
> justicekn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  How to reach the Masses, is the hundred-dollar question. Could you
>> suggest a way?
>>
>>
>>
>>             With best Wishes,
>>
>>                       KN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From the Desk of :
>>
>> Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>>
>> Retd.
>>
>> : **
>>
>> Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
>>
>> Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
>>
>> Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
>>
>> Address
>>
>> :
>>
>> `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India
>>
>> Phone(s)
>>
>> :
>>
>> +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com]
>> *On
>> Behalf Of *Dr.V.N. Sharma
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:08 AM
>> *To:* undisclosed-recipients:
>>
>> *Subject:* [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption
>>
>>
>>
>> Starting with the Struggle for India's Independence (upto 1947) which was
>> led by Mahatma Gandhi and before the recent rise of Anna Hazare India had
>> 4
>> major mass movements -
>>
>> Þ       Naxal upsurge in 1967
>>
>> Þ      Change in State (mostly Congress) Governments in 1966-67,
>>
>> Þ      Bihar Students Movement in 1975 taken over 20 days later by
>> JP to take   an all India character in 1975-77 and
>>
>> Þ       Bofors scandal in 1988-89 led by VP Singh
>>
>>
>>
>> Except the Naxals rise in 1967 every other movement was meant to cause
>> cosmetic changes in the superstructure. They were all expected to fulfil
>> the
>> requirement of replacing the steward (*satta me parivarttan*)- no
>> matter whether the alternative new incumbent was better or worse. The
>> non-Naxal movements were not designed with an eye to change the System
>> (*Vyawastha
>> me parivarttan*). So the end result in all the four starting from Gandhi's
>> was same- the movements diffused in a few months, increase in Corruption,
>> Inefficiency, damage to Democratic processes and values, nepotism,
>> favoritism and separation of the population in two parallel strips ruling
>> elites and ruled commoner without an overlapping interface.
>>
>>
>>
>> Such changes with so much fanfare in the name of victory for democracy
>> were
>> very much short lived. Remember how within 2-3 years Congress Party came
>> back to power in all the States and the Union after each one of the above
>> 3
>> movements. It does not need a detailed study by an expert to know who were
>> born out of those mass movements and what became of them and how they
>> served
>> this country. No vow at the feet of Gandhi at Rajghat and elsewhere could
>> change any of them. They remained shamelessly on the same track of
>> corruption, money making and nepotism. Agree or not, Naxals/ Maoists alone
>> steadily continued all along with a single long term objective of changes
>> in
>> the 'Base' for changing the System.
>>
>>
>>
>> A very interesting coincidence that the Lokpal Bill was first introduced
>> in
>> 1968 immediately after the movements in 1966-67. But it could not be
>> passed
>> in successive Parliaments in last 43 years. So much for the well
>> intentioned
>> ruling elites. This long period saw every political party and group
>> seating
>> on the treasury benches in Parliament. It becomes clear that all the
>> Parliamentary parties lacked interest in a clean governance. Not much can
>> be
>> expected from such political outfits who could not think of eradicating
>> corruption in over 40 years.
>>
>>
>>
>> One does not have to go too far to predict the end result and timing of
>> the
>> end of this phenomenon. Just look at the constitution of people supporting
>> Anna Hazare on the TV screens and seating with him in Jantar Mantar and
>> operating from both inside, in behind the scene parleys, and outside. It
>> was
>> interesting to see how the fountain heads of corruption were supporting
>> Anna
>> and making themselves visible on the TV screens. Even Yedurappa of
>> Karnataka
>> Corruption fame openly supported Anna's 'Against Corruption' movement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Even though many naïve and gullible took part in the streets of different
>> towns and cities in support of Anna at the end of it all it remains an
>> exercise within the 5% of the top bracketed population known as ruling
>> elites. It is not for the masses. Why the same people and the same Media
>> has
>> not stood up for Irom Sharmila who is on Fast for over 10 years now. It is
>> also significant to note that the days of extra constitutional authority
>> overpowering the constitutional authorities are in. The Mother –son duo,
>> Sonia – Rahul on the one side and Anna's five on the other.  Incidently,
>> finally it is an all men affair and no representative of dalit or
>> downtrodden in the drafting committee.
>>
>>
>>
>> In conclusion , therefore, only a people's movement involving the masses
>> can bring the cure to the ills of this country. Nothing less.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Dr.V.N.Sharma
>> Cell No.9431102680,
>>
>> Co-ordinator, Jharkhand Shanti evam Nyaya Yatra (JSNY): May 15-20,2011
>> Member, Secretariat, All India Forum for Right to Education (AIF-RTE)
>>
>> &
>>
>> Working Committee Member, Jan Sansad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption

Dear Sirs/Madames

" Jan Lok Pal Bill" is one step leap towards curbing corruption and
along with it

"ELectoral Reform" is one of the most important which need to be
addressed on topmost priority to curb the Corruption.

ama

On 4/16/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir
>
> I can suggest a foolproof way to reach the masses - it is better known as
> the "Alagiri formula"
> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/litmus-test-for-dmk-in-alagiris-lab/1/135060.html
>
> Unfortunately you are somewhat behind the times, after factoring in
> inflation it is a 200 HUNDRED DOLLAR QUESTION
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Justice Kamleshwar Nath <
> justicekn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How to reach the Masses, is the hundred-dollar question. Could you
>> suggest a way?
>>
>>
>>
>> With best Wishes,
>>
>> KN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From the Desk of :
>>
>> Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>>
>> Retd.
>>
>> : **
>>
>> Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
>>
>> Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
>>
>> Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
>>
>> Address
>>
>> :
>>
>> `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India
>>
>> Phone(s)
>>
>> :
>>
>> +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com]
>> *On
>> Behalf Of *Dr.V.N. Sharma
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:08 AM
>> *To:* undisclosed-recipients:
>>
>> *Subject:* [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption
>>
>>
>>
>> Starting with the Struggle for India's Independence (upto 1947) which was
>> led by Mahatma Gandhi and before the recent rise of Anna Hazare India had
>> 4
>> major mass movements -
>>
>> Þ Naxal upsurge in 1967
>>
>> Þ Change in State (mostly Congress) Governments in 1966-67,
>>
>> Þ Bihar Students Movement in 1975 taken over 20 days later by
>> JP to take an all India character in 1975-77 and
>>
>> Þ Bofors scandal in 1988-89 led by VP Singh
>>
>>
>>
>> Except the Naxals rise in 1967 every other movement was meant to cause
>> cosmetic changes in the superstructure. They were all expected to fulfil
>> the
>> requirement of replacing the steward (*satta me parivarttan*)- no
>> matter whether the alternative new incumbent was better or worse. The
>> non-Naxal movements were not designed with an eye to change the System
>> (*Vyawastha
>> me parivarttan*). So the end result in all the four starting from Gandhi's
>> was same- the movements diffused in a few months, increase in Corruption,
>> Inefficiency, damage to Democratic processes and values, nepotism,
>> favoritism and separation of the population in two parallel strips ruling
>> elites and ruled commoner without an overlapping interface.
>>
>>
>>
>> Such changes with so much fanfare in the name of victory for democracy
>> were
>> very much short lived. Remember how within 2-3 years Congress Party came
>> back to power in all the States and the Union after each one of the above
>> 3
>> movements. It does not need a detailed study by an expert to know who were
>> born out of those mass movements and what became of them and how they
>> served
>> this country. No vow at the feet of Gandhi at Rajghat and elsewhere could
>> change any of them. They remained shamelessly on the same track of
>> corruption, money making and nepotism. Agree or not, Naxals/ Maoists alone
>> steadily continued all along with a single long term objective of changes
>> in
>> the 'Base' for changing the System.
>>
>>
>>
>> A very interesting coincidence that the Lokpal Bill was first introduced
>> in
>> 1968 immediately after the movements in 1966-67. But it could not be
>> passed
>> in successive Parliaments in last 43 years. So much for the well
>> intentioned
>> ruling elites. This long period saw every political party and group
>> seating
>> on the treasury benches in Parliament. It becomes clear that all the
>> Parliamentary parties lacked interest in a clean governance. Not much can
>> be
>> expected from such political outfits who could not think of eradicating
>> corruption in over 40 years.
>>
>>
>>
>> One does not have to go too far to predict the end result and timing of
>> the
>> end of this phenomenon. Just look at the constitution of people supporting
>> Anna Hazare on the TV screens and seating with him in Jantar Mantar and
>> operating from both inside, in behind the scene parleys, and outside. It
>> was
>> interesting to see how the fountain heads of corruption were supporting
>> Anna
>> and making themselves visible on the TV screens. Even Yedurappa of
>> Karnataka
>> Corruption fame openly supported Anna's 'Against Corruption' movement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Even though many naïve and gullible took part in the streets of different
>> towns and cities in support of Anna at the end of it all it remains an
>> exercise within the 5% of the top bracketed population known as ruling
>> elites. It is not for the masses. Why the same people and the same Media
>> has
>> not stood up for Irom Sharmila who is on Fast for over 10 years now. It is
>> also significant to note that the days of extra constitutional authority
>> overpowering the constitutional authorities are in. The Mother –son duo,
>> Sonia – Rahul on the one side and Anna's five on the other. Incidently,
>> finally it is an all men affair and no representative of dalit or
>> downtrodden in the drafting committee.
>>
>>
>>
>> In conclusion , therefore, only a people's movement involving the masses
>> can bring the cure to the ills of this country. Nothing less.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Dr.V.N.Sharma
>> Cell No.9431102680,
>>
>> Co-ordinator, Jharkhand Shanti evam Nyaya Yatra (JSNY): May 15-20,2011
>> Member, Secretariat, All India Forum for Right to Education (AIF-RTE)
>>
>> &
>>
>> Working Committee Member, Jan Sansad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Reply: [rti4empowerment] BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION

Dear All,
 
Do we interacting at rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com have obtainted for ourselves a contract to uproot corruption from this country? Do we consider ourselves patriots & other traitors? Dispassionately, if one is rational & impartial, the development that we claim to achieve is mass scale destruction, that is irreversible & built on the graveyards of millions of hapless Indians  who do not have the courage or ability to resist the wrong done to them.
 
Whatever Anna Hazare does, if it is good for general public, appreciate it. Ignore his personal remarks. As an individual he has a right to express anything he feels.  To consider Anna Hazare as beacon for India of today, probably  we are misplacing our priorities. Voice of dissent is a sign of progress. Remember that!
 
Regards,
WEDS

From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 16 April 2011, 20:09
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION

[rti4empowerment] From WEDS: Does this herald a honest judiciary guardian of fundamental rights of citizens in Indian Democracy as well as of The Constitution of India?

Dear All,
 
Does this indicate a paradigm shift? CJI Kapadia when appointed was touted as protege of former CJI KGB against who was alleged of mass scale corruption
 
Read.
 
WEDS
 
 
16/04/2011

Kapadia opposes political protection to corrupt judges

New Delhi: The judiciary should not try to act as a super legislature, Chief Justice of India S.H. Kapadia said Saturday. He also asked the political leadership to resist from giving protection to corrupt judges.
Kapadia opposes political protection to corrupt judges
Chief Justice of India S H Kapadia (C ) Chief Justice of Delhi High Court Dipak Misra ( R ) and president Bar Association of India, Anil B Divan during the 5th M. C. Setalval Memorial Lecture in New Delhi on Saturday. PTI
Cautioning against internal interference from high-ranking judges which, if resisted, could lead to lower-ranking judges being transferred or being denied promotions, he said "similarly political protection should not be given to corrupt judges".
The chief justice said judges should resist the temptation of post-retirement assignments. "A judge must not accept patronage through which he acquires office, preferential treatment or pre-retirement assignments. These can give rise to corruption."
He advised judges to impose upon themselves certain "restrictions" and remain "a little aloof and isolated" from people in order to erase the suspicion that they were susceptible to undue influence in the discharge of duties.
He told judges to eschew contact with lawyers, individuals or political parties, their leaders or ministers unless it was on purely social occasions. A judge's obligation must start and end with his analysis of law, not just personal beliefs or preferences.
He asked the courts to desist from the tendency of substituting decisions of legislative bodies with their own socio-economic beliefs.
"We must refuse to sit as super legislatures to weigh the wisdom of the legislation," Chief Justice Kapadia said, delivering the fifth M.C. Setalvad Memorial Lecture on the 'Canons of Judicial Ethics' here.
"In many PILs (public interest litigations), the courts freely decree rule of conduct for the government and public authorities which are akin to legislation. Such exercises have little judicial function in them," the chief justice said.
 
Disagreeing with the rationale that the judiciary was encroaching upon the legislative domain because the executive (government) had failed to discharge its responsibilities, Justice Kapadia said that "the courts should be circumspect in understanding the thin line between law and governance".
The chief justice said a balance had to be struck between judicial independence and the accountability of judges. He said the challenge before the judiciary was how to respond to unreasonable criticism of courts.
The chief justice said that there was a need for striking a right balance between the judicial accountability and principle of judicial independence.
He said the challenge was "how does one achieve the right balance between autonomy in decision making and independence from external forces on the one hand and accountability to the community on the other hand?"
The habit of thinking impersonally, without regard for the worldly advantages or disadvantages of an opinion or an action was ethical thinking, he said.
"This is the prerequisite of judicial thinking. The man who is only interested in himself is not admissible (to ethical thinking)," said the chief justice.
The chief justice in his lecture dealt with a wide range of subjects relating to Canons of Judicial Ethics that included subject like Judicial ethics: From just words to deeds, Structuring of judgments, Accountability and judicial independence in the context of judicial activism and Value-based judicial accountability and independence.
The lecture was organised by the Bar Association of India in the memory of Setalvad, who was the first attorney general of India.
Delhi High Court Chief Justice Dipak Misra earlier said that the canons of judicial ethics should include both the judges and the advocates. He said that there should be strict adherence to integrity both in public and private life.
Source: IANS

[HumJanenge] Re: petition seeking prosecution of Sonia Gandhi sent to PMO

Dear Vikram

Your point about this group's discussion being limited to RTI is well
taken. As of now this group is moderated for month of April and we
have about 4 active moderators logging in frequently to approve the
posts. One of them must have seen the reference to RTI in NM Joshi's
message and approved it without reading the email in its entire
context.

Sarbajit

On Apr 16, 7:44 pm, Vikram Simha <vikramsimh...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> What is this PMO in the Subject and MMS in the Text Columns and why is Subramiam swamy very Fond of these PMO or MMS , when he Usually approaches courts with all the data & Documents . Is this a joke on us members of this group .
> Next what is the source that it is 205 pages and how does any RTI Activist lay his/her hands on it other than through RTI the very next day .
>
> I read that the Group Moderators have limited this Group for RTI discussions and not Discussions on S.Swamy or S Gandhi
>
> N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
>
> --- On Sat, 16/4/11, Joshi NM <naishadhjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Joshi NM <naishadhjo...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] petition seeking prosecution of Sonia Gandhi sent to PMO
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, 16 April, 2011, 12:13 PM
>
> Dr. Subramaniam Swami has sent yesterday a 206 page Petition to MMS seeking Sonia's prosecution for which he needs sanction.
>
> any RTI activist having copy of this petition, pl. upload.
> -Joshi NM

Re: [HumJanenge] petition seeking prosecution of Sonia Gandhi sent to PMO

In the democracy, u have every right to agree or disagree, dear Sarab, so do I.  It is not desirable to answer your last query as I do not want to be personal. 
If u disagree with me, that is ok, On the issue, I disagree with u and it is also ok. V R two different identities so our views may also be different and I regard your views but m not in agreement with u.
regards,
m k gupta--- On Sat, 16/4/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION
To: "M.K. Gupta" <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>, "rti4empowerment" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 16 April, 2011, 6:27 PM

Dear GuptajiYour doubts / apprehensions can be very easily answered / settled.You know that I am publicly against the people behind this so-called fight against corruption. You also know that I have put as many reasons and facts as I can in my public statements and I can put 10 times more if I so choose.As such I would very much like to know TRUTHFULLY if you consider me to be dishonest or a fool or neither of these..Sarbajit
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 4:27 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
 
BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION
M K Gupta, volunteer against corruption
Now, a vilification campaign is on against Anna Hazare and his team and it is not difficult to presume the persons behind this.  I remember the days when V P Singh was fighting on Bofors and to prick his tirade, Saint Kitts case against his son Ajay Singh came to the light which was later proved fabricated. Such doubtful case is now against Shantii Bhushan.  Where was this CD so far which has now surfaced and why no body is willing to take responsibility for this?
Let us also understand the Gujarat and Narendra Modi are separate as India and Indira Gandhi who was equated as India during emergency saying India is Indira and Indira is India. Anna has praised the development of Gujarat and Bihar.  The Planning Commission or some other government agencies (Planning Commission?) and the public are also for all praises about the development of these states. No doubt, this has been achieved under the leadershipship of Modi and Nitish Kumar but this does not mean that Anna has become the part of their party. Now, when every word of Anna is being recorded by the electronic media, no channel has come out with byte wherein he has praised Modi. For such development, both the Chief Ministers deserve Kudos and not criticism and the voters have done this by voting them back to their positions.
Let us guard ourselves from the divisive tactics at the behest of corrupt politicians, and persons with money stashed in foreign banks. This shows that fight against corruption is not going to be an easy one.
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What is this PMO in the Subject and MMS in the Text Columns  and why is Subramiam swamy very Fond of these PMO or MMS , when he Usually approaches courts with all the data & Documents . Is this a joke on us members of this group .
Next what is the source that it is 205 pages and how does any RTI Activist lay his/her hands on it  other than through RTI the very next day .
 
I read that the Group Moderators have limited this Group for RTI discussions and not Discussions on S.Swamy or S Gandhi  

N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.

--- On Sat, 16/4/11, Joshi NM <naishadhjoshi@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joshi NM <naishadhjoshi@gmail.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] petition seeking prosecution of Sonia Gandhi sent to PMO
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 16 April, 2011, 12:13 PM

Dr. Subramaniam Swami has sent yesterday a 206 page Petition to MMS seeking Sonia's prosecution for which he needs sanction.

any RTI activist having copy of this petition, pl. upload.
-Joshi NM

Re: [rti4empowerment] BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION

In the democracy, u have every right to agree or disagree, dear Sarab, so do I.  It is not desirable to answer your last query as I do not want to be personal. 
If u disagree with me, that is ok, On the issue, I disagree with u and it is also ok. V R two different identities so our views may also be different and I regard your views but m not in agreement with u.
regards,
m k gupta

--- On Sat, 16/4/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION
To: "M.K. Gupta" <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>, "rti4empowerment" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 16 April, 2011, 6:27 PM

Dear Guptaji

Your doubts / apprehensions can be very easily answered / settled.

You know that I am publicly against the people behind this so-called fight against corruption. You also know that I have put as many reasons and facts as I can in my public statements and I can put 10 times more if I so choose.

As such I would very much like to know TRUTHFULLY if you consider me to be dishonest or a fool or neither of these..

Sarbajit

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 4:27 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
 

BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION

M K Gupta, volunteer against corruption

Now, a vilification campaign is on against Anna Hazare and his team and it is not difficult to presume the persons behind this.  I remember the days when V P Singh was fighting on Bofors and to prick his tirade, Saint Kitts case against his son Ajay Singh came to the light which was later proved fabricated. Such doubtful case is now against Shantii Bhushan.  Where was this CD so far which has now surfaced and why no body is willing to take responsibility for this?

Let us also understand the Gujarat and Narendra Modi are separate as India and Indira Gandhi who was equated as India during emergency saying India is Indira and Indira is India. Anna has praised the development of Gujarat and Bihar.  The Planning Commission or some other government agencies (Planning Commission?) and the public are also for all praises about the development of these states. No doubt, this has been achieved under the leadershipship of Modi and Nitish Kumar but this does not mean that Anna has become the part of their party. Now, when every word of Anna is being recorded by the electronic media, no channel has come out with byte wherein he has praised Modi. For such development, both the Chief Ministers deserve Kudos and not criticism and the voters have done this by voting them back to their positions.

Let us guard ourselves from the divisive tactics at the behest of corrupt politicians, and persons with money stashed in foreign banks. This shows that fight against corruption is not going to be an easy one.

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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: DISCLOSING LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED BY CIC

Hello Guptaji,

Thanks for the detailed mail and explanation. To cut a long story short, as far as Section 4 is concerned, NSD, AIR, New Delhi has failed miserably in their efforts. Simply by putting up the heading of the manuals U/s 4(1)(b) does not amount to disclosure. Check this for instance :-

(vi) A Statement of the categories of documents that are held by it or under its control.


The disclosure of this manual is simply "NIL". Check link


http://www.newsonair.com/RTI-Annexure-VI-new.asp


Do they mean to say, that their office is document free? They do not have even a digital version of RTI Act 2005 let alone Manual of Office Procedure, Official Secrets Act, Prasar Bharti Act etc????? That they do not maintain personal files and service books of their staff.


More later


Manoj





--- On Sat, 4/16/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
place.  Suo motu disclosures were put up on the newsonair.com website on the order of the CIC on my application.  If you see the website, u will find that on the suo motu disclosure, it has also been mentioned that this is being done on the orders of the CIC issued in the case filed by me.

Re: [rti4empowerment] BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION

Dear Guptaji

Your doubts / apprehensions can be very easily answered / settled.

You know that I am publicly against the people behind this so-called fight against corruption. You also know that I have put as many reasons and facts as I can in my public statements and I can put 10 times more if I so choose.

As such I would very much like to know TRUTHFULLY if you consider me to be dishonest or a fool or neither of these..

Sarbajit

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 4:27 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
 

BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION

M K Gupta, volunteer against corruption

Now, a vilification campaign is on against Anna Hazare and his team and it is not difficult to presume the persons behind this.  I remember the days when V P Singh was fighting on Bofors and to prick his tirade, Saint Kitts case against his son Ajay Singh came to the light which was later proved fabricated. Such doubtful case is now against Shantii Bhushan.  Where was this CD so far which has now surfaced and why no body is willing to take responsibility for this?

Let us also understand the Gujarat and Narendra Modi are separate as India and Indira Gandhi who was equated as India during emergency saying India is Indira and Indira is India. Anna has praised the development of Gujarat and Bihar.  The Planning Commission or some other government agencies (Planning Commission?) and the public are also for all praises about the development of these states. No doubt, this has been achieved under the leadershipship of Modi and Nitish Kumar but this does not mean that Anna has become the part of their party. Now, when every word of Anna is being recorded by the electronic media, no channel has come out with byte wherein he has praised Modi. For such development, both the Chief Ministers deserve Kudos and not criticism and the voters have done this by voting them back to their positions.

Let us guard ourselves from the divisive tactics at the behest of corrupt politicians, and persons with money stashed in foreign banks. This shows that fight against corruption is not going to be an easy one.

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Re: [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption

Dear Sir

I can suggest a foolproof way to reach the masses - it is better known as the "Alagiri formula"
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/litmus-test-for-dmk-in-alagiris-lab/1/135060.html

Unfortunately you are somewhat behind the times, after factoring in inflation it is a 200 HUNDRED DOLLAR QUESTION

Sarbajit

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com> wrote:

How to reach the Masses, is the hundred-dollar question. Could you suggest a way?

 

            With best Wishes,

                      KN

  
 

From the Desk of :

Justice Kamleshwar Nath

Retd.

:

Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),

Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Allahabad ),

Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )

Address

:

`Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India

Phone(s)

:

+91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746

 


From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr.V.N. Sharma
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:08 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:


Subject: [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption

 

Starting with the Struggle for India's Independence (upto 1947) which was led by Mahatma Gandhi and before the recent rise of Anna Hazare India had 4 major mass movements - 

Þ       Naxal upsurge in 1967

Þ      Change in State (mostly Congress) Governments in 1966-67,

Þ      Bihar Students Movement in 1975 taken over 20 days later by JP to take   an all India character in 1975-77 and 

Þ       Bofors scandal in 1988-89 led by VP Singh  

 

Except the Naxals rise in 1967 every other movement was meant to cause cosmetic changes in the superstructure. They were all expected to fulfil the requirement of replacing the steward (satta me parivarttan)- no matter whether the alternative new incumbent was better or worse. The non-Naxal movements were not designed with an eye to change the System (Vyawastha me parivarttan). So the end result in all the four starting from Gandhi's was same- the movements diffused in a few months, increase in Corruption, Inefficiency, damage to Democratic processes and values, nepotism, favoritism and separation of the population in two parallel strips ruling elites and ruled commoner without an overlapping interface. 

 

Such changes with so much fanfare in the name of victory for democracy were very much short lived. Remember how within 2-3 years Congress Party came back to power in all the States and the Union after each one of the above 3 movements. It does not need a detailed study by an expert to know who were born out of those mass movements and what became of them and how they served this country. No vow at the feet of Gandhi at Rajghat and elsewhere could change any of them. They remained shamelessly on the same track of corruption, money making and nepotism. Agree or not, Naxals/ Maoists alone steadily continued all along with a single long term objective of changes in the 'Base' for changing the System.

 

A very interesting coincidence that the Lokpal Bill was first introduced in 1968 immediately after the movements in 1966-67. But it could not be passed in successive Parliaments in last 43 years. So much for the well intentioned ruling elites. This long period saw every political party and group seating on the treasury benches in Parliament. It becomes clear that all the Parliamentary parties lacked interest in a clean governance. Not much can be expected from such political outfits who could not think of eradicating corruption in over 40 years.  

 

One does not have to go too far to predict the end result and timing of the end of this phenomenon. Just look at the constitution of people supporting Anna Hazare on the TV screens and seating with him in Jantar Mantar and operating from both inside, in behind the scene parleys, and outside. It was interesting to see how the fountain heads of corruption were supporting Anna and making themselves visible on the TV screens. Even Yedurappa of Karnataka Corruption fame openly supported Anna's 'Against Corruption' movement.

 

Even though many naïve and gullible took part in the streets of different towns and cities in support of Anna at the end of it all it remains an exercise within the 5% of the top bracketed population known as ruling elites. It is not for the masses. Why the same people and the same Media has not stood up for Irom Sharmila who is on Fast for over 10 years now. It is also significant to note that the days of extra constitutional authority overpowering the constitutional authorities are in. The Mother –son duo, Sonia – Rahul on the one side and Anna's five on the other.  Incidently, finally it is an all men affair and no representative of dalit or downtrodden in the drafting committee.

 

In conclusion , therefore, only a people's movement involving the masses can bring the cure to the ills of this country. Nothing less.



--

Dr.V.N.Sharma
Cell No.9431102680,

Co-ordinator, Jharkhand Shanti evam Nyaya Yatra (JSNY): May 15-20,2011
Member, Secretariat, All India Forum for Right to Education (AIF-RTE) 

Working Committee Member, Jan Sansad 



 


RE: [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption

How to reach the Masses, is the hundred-dollar question. Could you suggest a way?

 

            With best Wishes,

                      KN

 

 

 

 

 

From the Desk of :

Justice Kamleshwar Nath

Retd.

:

Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),

Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Allahabad ),

Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )

Address

:

`Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India

Phone(s)

:

+91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746

 


From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr.V.N. Sharma
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:08 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption

 

Starting with the Struggle for India's Independence (upto 1947) which was led by Mahatma Gandhi and before the recent rise of Anna Hazare India had 4 major mass movements - 

Þ       Naxal upsurge in 1967

Þ      Change in State (mostly Congress) Governments in 1966-67,

Þ      Bihar Students Movement in 1975 taken over 20 days later by JP to take   an all India character in 1975-77 and 

Þ       Bofors scandal in 1988-89 led by VP Singh  

 

Except the Naxals rise in 1967 every other movement was meant to cause cosmetic changes in the superstructure. They were all expected to fulfil the requirement of replacing the steward (satta me parivarttan)- no matter whether the alternative new incumbent was better or worse. The non-Naxal movements were not designed with an eye to change the System (Vyawastha me parivarttan). So the end result in all the four starting from Gandhi's was same- the movements diffused in a few months, increase in Corruption, Inefficiency, damage to Democratic processes and values, nepotism, favoritism and separation of the population in two parallel strips ruling elites and ruled commoner without an overlapping interface. 

 

Such changes with so much fanfare in the name of victory for democracy were very much short lived. Remember how within 2-3 years Congress Party came back to power in all the States and the Union after each one of the above 3 movements. It does not need a detailed study by an expert to know who were born out of those mass movements and what became of them and how they served this country. No vow at the feet of Gandhi at Rajghat and elsewhere could change any of them. They remained shamelessly on the same track of corruption, money making and nepotism. Agree or not, Naxals/ Maoists alone steadily continued all along with a single long term objective of changes in the ‘Base’ for changing the System.

 

A very interesting coincidence that the Lokpal Bill was first introduced in 1968 immediately after the movements in 1966-67. But it could not be passed in successive Parliaments in last 43 years. So much for the well intentioned ruling elites. This long period saw every political party and group seating on the treasury benches in Parliament. It becomes clear that all the Parliamentary parties lacked interest in a clean governance. Not much can be expected from such political outfits who could not think of eradicating corruption in over 40 years.  

 

One does not have to go too far to predict the end result and timing of the end of this phenomenon. Just look at the constitution of people supporting Anna Hazare on the TV screens and seating with him in Jantar Mantar and operating from both inside, in behind the scene parleys, and outside. It was interesting to see how the fountain heads of corruption were supporting Anna and making themselves visible on the TV screens. Even Yedurappa of Karnataka Corruption fame openly supported Anna's 'Against Corruption' movement.

 

Even though many naïve and gullible took part in the streets of different towns and cities in support of Anna at the end of it all it remains an exercise within the 5% of the top bracketed population known as ruling elites. It is not for the masses. Why the same people and the same Media has not stood up for Irom Sharmila who is on Fast for over 10 years now. It is also significant to note that the days of extra constitutional authority overpowering the constitutional authorities are in. The Mother –son duo, Sonia – Rahul on the one side and Anna’s five on the other.  Incidently, finally it is an all men affair and no representative of dalit or downtrodden in the drafting committee.

 

In conclusion , therefore, only a people's movement involving the masses can bring the cure to the ills of this country. Nothing less.



--

Dr.V.N.Sharma
Cell No.9431102680,

Co-ordinator, Jharkhand Shanti evam Nyaya Yatra (JSNY): May 15-20,2011
Member, Secretariat, All India Forum for Right to Education (AIF-RTE) 

Working Committee Member, Jan Sansad 



 

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: DISCLOSING LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED BY CIC

This is not a solitary case against the CPIO, NSD, AIR.  The other cases have also been heard by Mrs. Annapurna Dixit, Hon'ble IC.  I will have to go to background in short.  I have taken voluntary retirement from a Central Govt. Enterprise, as it was going to be close at that time and after retirement; I was working with NSD, AIR as casual since 2002. After passing written test twice for casual editor in the NSD, AIR, was rejected in the interview both the times.  When I asked RTI to inspect the file of this case and other thing, thought the AIR had to comply the CIC's decision but removed me from casual employment.  Its first reply was that I do not deserve for the post on which I was working for the last six years.  Obviously, I was victimized for filling RTI applications.  When I started for supplementary information such as the basis of conclusion drawn that I do not deserve, CPIO replied that you do not need this information and against this when an appeal was filed before the CIC, it ordered to give information and issued show cause notice to the PIO for denying the information.  Finally, Mrs. Dixit has condoned the penalty proceedings in that case stating that there was no denial of information but this was the case of delay in furnishing information.  The conclusion of the IC was erroneous on the face of the reply of the CPIO that I do not need information though the same was not exempt and was concerned with my job. In her decision in the decision in current case, she has also mentioned in her decision that in the past, she has not taken action against the CPIO but this cannot be repeated.  The furnishing of wrong and false affidavits was in the knowledge of Commission as I mentioned the same in my written submissions duly referred in the decision. 

 

The some other cases heard against the same PIO by Mrs. Dixit, Information Commissioner included return of my RTI application for not filling the pay to column on the IPO.  The CPIO has never mentioned the details of first appellate authority in his replies to me and understandably to others also. His wrong phone number was mentioned on the AIR website for about six years and no details of FAA which is mandatory under RTI Act.  After the retirement, the phone number was corrected and the details of FAA were mentioned when I took up the matter by filling RTI application on the initiative of the new CPIO appointed in his place.  Suo motu disclosures were put up on the newsonair.com website on the order of the CIC on my application.  If you see the website, u will find that on the suo motu disclosure, it has also been mentioned that this is being done on the orders of the CIC issued in the case filed by me.  The retired CPIO has also given the wrong information that the file about the serious charges against me that my bonafides are doubtful and such a person cannot be put in government service is missing.  When the FIR was filed about the missing file, the old and public authority did not reply to the Investigation Officer. Now, inquiry on the missing file will be concluded by 20th and it is likely to report that such a file has never existed.  Story is very long and I do not want to take the precious time of the members. 

This is the story of the victimization of RTI activist and now AIR has given clue that if I want, I can rejoin to which my reply is that withdraw the charge first.  In fact, I am in search of an advocate of an advocate who can take up these issues before the High Court, on an affordable expenses.

 I request you to read the full decision available on the CIC website on 8th Feb. 2011.


--- On Sat, 16/4/11, Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: DISCLOSING LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED BY CIC
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 16 April, 2011, 8:37 AM

To IC(AD) defense, I found her order under reference fair enough. Unlike MC Guptaji's claim, she came down heavily on the respondents. Maybe she did not penalize the erring CPIO, who had by then retired. Had Guptaji done his home work properly and able to establish that the CPIO was habitual in dely / denial of information to other applicants as well, perhaps the story would have been different. A single case of delay is usually treated as a solitary case. Next time when one goes for the hearing, it could help if the applicant could examine before hand, all RTI Applications that have been disposed of by the CPIO in question.

Manoj Pai

--- On Fri, 4/15/11, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's quite OK, we dont want to be
> referred to / described as "angrez
> ke poonch".
>
> For Guptaji's benefit I will explain the idiom as 
> "What is the use of
> locking the safe door ('tijori') after all the money has
> been
> stolen ?". I was using it to describe IC(AD)'s order to the
> PA after
> the CPIO has left, and NOT to Guptajis subsequent actions.
>
> Sarbajit