Monday, April 8, 2013

RE: [IAC#RG] Fw: Forget Gujarat: Look at the Congress Record: It is Shocking

Dt.8/4/13
 
Dear sirs.
 
While it is true that data can be interpreted in diffrent ways, I find there is no anomaly in the interpretation given by
 Maj. Gen(retd.) Deepak Malhotra.
If there were 4 riots in gujrat, there were4 also each in Maharashtra and Bihar and UP If you include 2 in Assam, it leaves only one in Delhi, andhara and J&K leaving the 1947 unparalled partition riots.What is your intrepetation to these 18 riots in 5 states leaving remaing all states and union terrotories peaceful.
3. Gujrat riots continued for long time because it had spread to the villages where you dont see the face of a policeman formonths togather.
4. Who says there were no riots in Rajasthan. See the history of riots in Jaipur and tension between the communities. There are a few clusters like Dugarpur and Banswara from where large scale migration has taken place to cities and even to Gul countries.
5.It is wrong to blame Gandhi for 1947 riots and not speak of the role of Jinnah.It only shows the bias.
6. Delhi riots were localised and that too in certain pockets. There has been no ill feelings among the Hindus for Sikhs. It was instigated by  afew local leaders and they are still freely roaming. If the Govt. could deploy army after a few hours, what prevented its use in Gujrat? The Congress Govt. did the same in Assam.
7. It is worth noting that after 1947 riots in,states like Punjab ( now Punjab,Haryana and HImanchaland Bengal which were most affected have remained communally peaceful. What explains this? Role of the Govt. or people.
.8. J& K continues to remain riots affected since partiton.
I am not a Mody fan nor his rabid critic. The nearest I have seen him was in 2002 while traving on the same flight from Mumbai. He was quiet, aloof and no hangers on.
9. I am not from gujrat. But if he has been elected 3 times, the Gujratis have accepted his model of Governance.
He has managed to keep the State peaceful and concentrate on development. If he could not prevent godra killings, he could not prevent the riots in the aftermath.

Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 17:07:40 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: Forget Gujarat: Look at the Congress Record: It is Shocking

Dear Naishadh

The problem with data is that it can be interpreted in different ways.

"Modi Govt. never imposed curfew in his rule. Difference is clear like Day-Nite."

This proves that NaMO is either a SOFT leader or that he actively encouraged the massacre of Muslims in 2002.

Why did the Gujarat riots go on for 2+ months ? Even the 1984 Sikh riots were over in under a week. In Delhi it was over in 4 days the moment they imposed curfew (despite not having a PM) and calling in the Army

In the 1983 Nellie (Assam) massacres where you did your comparison, it was over in 6 hours, so what could the Congis have done in a remote district in a State which has always been under the paramilitary forces like Assam Rifles and where the Hindu-Muslim ratio is far different from Gujarat being 50:50 or worse.

The fact of the matter is that Modi may be very good at allowing Gujaratis to make money, but when it comes to INDIA he has no track record of performance (where the only like person he scores over on this account is Raul Vinci who is a big ZERO).

Also, I hope you notice that BJP's vote share in Gujarat has been continually slipping since 2002 and Congress is picking up more and more Muslim votes there.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Joshi NM <naishadhjoshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Maj. Gen. (Retd) Deepak Malhotra has made valuable data available. I thank him for a very useful tabulated data compilation.

Analysis and conclusion is apparent and obvious.

Compilation was focused on the ability of state to prevent riots and perform RAJDHARM. Focus was on ruler not on ruled.

Sarabjit is way off the mark this time in his comments in reply to Dear Maj. Gen. (Retd) Deepak Malhotra.

About Gujarat riots in congress rule, you may have to keep in mind state actors renting-sponsoring random killings on both sides by contract killers. Public in general would be rioting against state-police; reeling under month-long curfews. Abdul Latif-Rasul Party etc. were the examples during Madhavsinh Solanki - Chiman Patel etc. rule.

Modi Govt. never imposed curfew in his rule. Difference is clear like Day-Nite.

Best regards,


On 6 April 2013 14:20, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Maj. Gen. (Retd) Deepak Malhotra,

1) Out if the 21 state level incidents you have listed,4 have
taken place in Gujarat. (ie. about 25%)

2) This is surely very high and arouses concern that Gujaratis
are a homicidal race of people and/or easily instigated.

3) Why are there no riots in the neighbouring state of Rajasthan
which equally shares the same borders including with Pakistan?

4) In each and every riot in Gujarat the aggressors were
overwhelmingly the Hindus and the victims the Muslims.

5) So what happened in Gujarat's riots are clear evidence that
Gujaratis in power/politics are damaging to the national fabric.
Mohandas Gandhi being one such and Narendra Modi another.
The entire Partition riots 5 million persons dead or injured was
caused by 1 Gujarati (Gandhi).

6) Can India allow another Gujarati (NaMo) to control India's
destiny ? Your own facts and figures say NO !!.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Deepak Malhotra <deepakmalho11@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
 
 Forget Gujarat: Look at the Congress Record
 
Let us set the record straight once and for all. Those Secularists who call Narendra Modi a murderer can judge for themselves from the Table below.
  • Nowhere in the world has one party (Indian National Congress) presided over the murder of so many citizens.
  • No Congress Minister / Politician has ever been booked. Only promoted.
  • Do you want to hand over this Country to them again?  
  • Please think ? 
List of MAJOR Riots / Incidents since 1947
(More than 50 dead)
 
Year
 
State(s)
 
Place
 
Numbers Massacred / Killed
(Approx.)
 
 
Community Affected
 
Assailants
 
Party in Power
 
Prime Minister / Chief Minister
 
1947
Mainly Punjab / Bengal
Various
Min 5,00,000
(worst riots in human history)
Hindus / Muslims / Sikhs
Hindus / Muslims / Sikhs
Congress
Jawaharlal Nehru (PM)
1964
Bihar
Jamshedpur
2000
Hindus /Muslims
Hindus / Muslims
Congress
KB Sahay (CM)
1967
Bihar
Ranchi
177
Muslims
Hindus
Jana Kranti Dal
MP Sinha (CM)
1969
Gujarat
Ahmedabad
2000
Muslims
Hindus
Congress
Hitendra Desai (CM)
1970
Maharashtra
Bhiwandi
164
Muslims
Hindus
Congress
Vasantrao Naik (CM)
1979
Bihar
Jamshedpur
108
Hindus / Muslims
Hindus / Muslims
Janata Party
Karpuri Thakur
1980
UP
Moradabad
200
Muslims
-
Congress
VP Singh (CM)
1983
Assam
Nellie
2200 (official)
5000 (unofficial)
Muslims
Report Classified
Congress
Hiteshwar Saikia (CM)
1984
Delhi / Haryana
Delhi
4000
Sikhs
Congress Party Members
Congress
Rajiv Gandhi (PM)
Bhajan Lal (CM Haryana)
1985
Gujarat
Ahmedabad
275
Muslims
Hindus
Congress
Madhav Sinh Solanki (CM)
1987
UP
Meerut
50
Muslims
PAC
Congress
Vir Bahadur Singh (CM)
1989
Bihar
Bhagalpur
1150
Muslims
Hindus
Congress
Bhagwat Jha Azad
1987 – to date
Jammu & Kashmir
Various
Over 60,000.
4,50,000 displaced (ethnic cleansing)
Hindus / Muslims / Troops
Islamic Terrorists
National Conference / Presidents Rule / PDP / Congress / Presidents Rule / National Conference
Farook Abdullah (CM) / Narasimha Rao (PM) / MM Sayeed / Ghulam Nabi Azad / Man Mohan Singh (PM) / Omar Abdullah (CM)
1990
UP
Aligarh
150
Muslims
Hindus
Janata Dal
Mulayam Singh Yadav (CM)
1990
Andhra Pradesh
Hyderabad
300
Hindus
Muslims
Congress
Chenna Reddy (CM)
1992
Gujarat
Surat
152
Hindus / Muslims
Hindus / Muslims
Congress + Allies
Chimman Bhai Patel (CM)
1992
UP
Kanpur
254
Hindus / Muslims
Hindus / Muslims
Presidents Rule
(Congress)
Narasimha Rao (PM)
 
1992 / 1993
Maharashtra
Mumbai
900
Hindus / Muslims
Hindus / Muslims
Congress
Sudhakarrao Naik (CM)
1993
Maharashtra
Mumbai
250
All Communities
Islamic Terrorists
Congress
Sharad Pawar (CM)
2002
Gujarat
Godhra / Various
1200
Hindus / Muslims
Hindus / Muslims
BJP
Narendra Modi (CM)
2008
Maharashtra
Mumbai
164
All Communities
Islamic Terrorists
Congress
Vilasrao Deshmukh (CM)
2012
Assam
Kokrajhar
77
Muslims (from BD)
Bodos
Congress
Tarun Gogoi (CM)
 





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