Saturday, January 12, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Objections of India Against Corruption to late submissions of political parties


      Dear Sir,
      You are very right in stating that what we need is Honest Ruler. If you agree with me that condition is not likely to be met EVER by Democracy with elections as the way of 'creating' Rulers. They can rarely be (all) Honest. I feel these Honest Rulers need be Selfless. Then only welfare of people and/or the Nation (Bhaarat) can be ensured. I call such people as Developed Individuals.So we need Developed Individuals and they are not likely to be available at appropriate place by Election in Democratic Process.
      I am attaching my article 'Nation and Development' to let you have the idea of mine little better. Kindly let me have your comments on the same so that it may be further improved.
      By the way my qualifications are 'FIE, MICI, FIIE, MISTD'
      With regards,
     ----Mukund Apte


On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:

Your anger I share. But having passed through decades of my anger and ineffectiveness of my anger, I try now coolly do fault tree analysis and zero'd on simple solution to change character of government , by making power useless for the main object of corrupt to steal public assets  through abuse of govt power.

The prime mover and generator of evil power destroying public interest in governance must be attacked if we want a change in our living.

Neither laws nor more police help. Honest ruler needed, of they are to be effective. See, even budding AAP through power of black mail can get undue advantages. Now one can understand the studied silence of the new party. No more weekly exposures before TV cameras. Amazing India!

Humans are not always, uniformly , at all times , in all conditions , can be expected to be so honest and error free . They are fallible. Systemic check against own fallibility is what is needed. Deterrence strategy kicks in only after crime is committed. If preventive measure can be implemented, much better. For all crimes it is not possible to get preventive steps.

But fortunately for abuse of govt power to steal public assets, preventive step available, to stop getting benefit of any such order against public interest, BEFORE the perpetrator gets benefit.

Looks like AAP too wants to grab govt power. Since they also want to retain the evil practice of compromising public interest in the shroud of secret file covers, I have little hope , the new budding party will do any good for the nation.

I am not against persons. But hypocrisy hurts.

When corrupt with prime objective of eye on public Monet for personal benefit, all laws, rule as, norms in society, values too get corrupted.

Old wisdom.
Rajaram Bojji  FIE., FNAE
+91 9885700007

On Jan 13, 2013 4:44 AM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Shri Parmar

It is not about AAP.

Let me put it in very simple terms.

Jet Airways Flight no. JSV is scheduled to take off at 5:00 PM.
IAC checks in on time and is settled in his seat like a good little boy.
OTH the AAP reaches late and holds up the flight till 7:00 PM
and then is escorted to business class.

WTF would you do ? Keep quite or protest ?

It is people like you advocating keeping quiet who allow
injustice and corruption to perpetuate. If this Committee can't even
draft a simple public notice, HTF are they going to write a report ?

Sarbajit

On 1/12/13, Balbir Vishwamitra Singh Parmar <bvsparmar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> I can understand your anguish on Aam Aadmi Party but your response is very
> childish. Justice Verma committee is not giving any patents or contracts
> that requires disqualification of late bidder. Secondly no one will be given
> credit for drafting the recommendations other than Justice Verma committee.
>
> Therefore why squabble. If there is a good point they will in anyway include
> it without even telling you that they have taken from AAP recommendations.
> We must not oppose something just for opposing it, it gives away the
> information about weakpoints in your armour.
>
> Let me tell you that I am not a supporter of AAP. Also I have my
> reservations about IAC as well. But that does not mean I start criticising
> the both. We must look at positive sides of everything.
>
> With best wishes and warm regards.
>
> Balbir Singh Parmar
> +91-9411891851
>
> Sainik Samaj Party

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Re: [IAC#RG] Judical System

Change in the elected rep can come only thro electing good candidates. No amt of Elect Reforms will cause this to happen. We need to confront following issues Head On :
1. Civic / Social Activist Movement at present is highly FREGMENTED scattering and wasting our energy.
2. Our Goals are at Cross. There is no Synergy of Group Action.
3. The aam Janta and We (Activists) live in two different worlds. We do not reach them. Politicians do. People in Slums and poor in rural India (Vote Bank) are the real decision makers. We all are armchair activists.
Govt etc has become a punching bag to vent our frustration for being impotent to cause any real Impact on the system. By remaining within the system and without having any major changes in Law, we can still do a lot ... Even a change of Govt. For that we need start at grass root level and make our living conditions better in our immediate surroundings by taking Janta along with us, set it as a Model and let it spread like a wild fire across the country.
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[IAC#RG] The habit of bending over backwards

The habit of bending over backwards

MJ Akbar 


13 January 2013

Times of India

 

As a conundrum, this one is hard to beat, possibly because it is uniquely Indian. Why has appeasement of hardliners in Pakistan, an avowedly communal state carved out of the two-nation theory, become a touchstone for secularism in India? If this were limited to an irony it would doubtless find its level in the varied folds of public discourse. As an artful strategy to legitimize the present UPA government's weak knees, it has more disturbing implications.

The subtext is subtle. There are only two sides to this coin of Manmohan Singh's realm: accommodation or war, a nonsense familiar to historians of Europe between the first two world wars. An ultimatum is the last resort, not the first one; and there are many stages in-between, as President Obama's policy towards Iran, for instance, indicates. But in the dictum laid down by Delhi, you either accept Pakistan's token verbiage, or risk derision as a hawk.

Pakistan's hard line towards India is held by the Army, which takes the final call on India, whether in strategic planning or real-time response. Its thinking is rooted in Partition. India won freedom from the British. Pakistan won independence from India. Pakistan's fundamentalist patriots therefore locate the existentialist threat from India. Expand or manouvre the matrix and a man wanted across the world for terrorism, Hafiz Saeed, gets transformed into a commander of the faithful doing his duty in a holy war on Mumbai. Does this make dialogue impossible? No. But it makes it more complex.

Singh, backed firmly by Sonia Gandhi, has no use for complications. He bends in the hope that one more storm will pass over. But between Pakistan's intransigence over terrorism, his own capitulation at Sharm el Sheikh within nine months of Mumbai, a succession of Pakistan officials who taunt India on Indian soil, and the mutilation of two Indian soldiers this week along the Rampur-Haji Ali sector, Dr Singh seems to have bent so far that he looks prostrate.

The ceasefire line across Jammu and Kashmir is a misnomer. It is always on fire. Lives are lost periodically in the tension of conflicting responsibilities, as India guards itself from the enemy without and insurgents within. But some instances are intended to send a larger signal. The gruesome killing of Lance Naiks Hemraj Singh and Sudhakar Singh was one such message.

Singh's answer was to pull out the most tired clich├ęs from the store. The Pakistan high commissioner Salman Bashir was "summoned" and told that barbarism was "unacceptable" over a nice cup of tea. Bashir dismissed India's accusations with contempt. His boss, foreign minister Hina Rabbani, used two words where her Indian counterpart used one, calling India's allegations "absolutely unacceptable".

Examine Pakistan's version of events. Islamabad claims India started the firefight on January 6 in which one of its soldiers was killed and another seriously wounded. Pakistan did not summon India's high commissioner for coffee and photographs. It sent the 29 Baloch Regiment to extract two eyes for one. When India asked for an enquiry, Pakistan told India to jump - into the arms of the United Nations. Pakistan marshaled its array of diplomats to supplement action in the field. Dr Singh ordered Indian diplomats and armed forces to freeze and "de-escalate".

Islamabad took the measure of Delhi in 2009 at Sharm el Sheikh, when, despite the international outrage over Mumbai and evidence of Pakistan's involvement, it was Singh who made extraordinary concessions to put together a joint statement. The text was not shown to India's National Security Adviser, M K Narayanan, who went ashen when he read the contents a little before it was released to media. Narayanan's silence was purchased with a ghostly residence in Calcutta, also known as the Raj Bhavan.

Pakistan's Army concluded that if it could get away with Mumbai, it could get away with anything. It has.

Pakistan's generals have measured the Singh government's girth, and discovered a circumference bloated by hot air. They know that the only reaction from hot air can be flatulence. They've the evidence they need. There were 57 cross-border violations by Pakistan in 2010, 60 in 2011 and 117 in 2012. Delhi's response has been a private, and sometimes public, campaign to reduce our forces on the border. If it takes two sides to go to war, it also takes a partnership for peace. Manmohan Singh has the look of a lonely man abandoned by the partner of his dreams.

 

 

 

 



Re: [IAC#RG] Judical System

SIR,
WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY MUST GIVE A CHANCE TO AT LEAST TWO CHILDREN OF POLITICIANS TO BE ON THE KASHMIR LOC, BECAUSE THEY CAN DO MUCH BETTER.
REGARDS, 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 5:02 PM, ravi kapoor <raviskapoor@gmail.com> wrote:

Butchered jawans, callous politicians

Ravi Shanker Kapoor

 

A thread runs through the volatile Line of Control (LoC) in Kashmir and the killings fields of Latehar in Jharkhand―the thread of politicians’ treachery and pigheadedness against the backdrop of horrifying treatment meted out to the soldiers. Whether it is the fallen soldier who is beheaded by the Pakistan Army scoundrels or the murdered jawan of the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) whose body is mutilated and a bomb placed in his belly, there is a pattern in the events: while military and paramilitary troopers are valiantly fight the enemies of the Indian Republic, the political masters and opinion makers play the familiar smoke-and-mirror games.

Let’s begin with the pattern. After every outrage, there is sanctimonious indignation expressed by our political leaders. So, External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid described the killing of two soldiers and the mutilation of their bodies as “extremely shocking and unacceptable, even barbaric.” He went on to pontificate, “Whether they [Pakistanis] take responsibility or not is another matter, and we are still talking about that. But it cannot but be described as barbaric.”

“Still talking about” what? Whether there was a beheading or not? Whether Pakistanis did that? If yes, whether they were state or non-state actors? He talked about “proportionate response” by India. What is the content of the response, Minister? Is there anything specific? Is there anything apart from platitudes?

Taking refuge in bunkum, Defence Minister A.K. Antony also used vacuous adjectives like “provocative” and “inhuman.” He said, “We will convey our protest to the Pak government and our DGMO [Director General of Military Operations] will talk to his Pak counterpart. We are closely monitoring the situation.” Again, just platitudes and pro-forma statements.

Given the appeasement-loving nature of the Congress-led government, a military response is ruled out. But does it intend to respond at all? Does it even have a non-military response? Chances of even that are slim.

After the meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security, Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde was asked whether the outrage have any effect on the new recently relaxed India-Pakistan visa regime. He flatly denied any impact. He said, “Whatever agreement has been entered into, it will be carried on. There is no rethinking on visa agreement.”

In short, it will be business as usual. Whatever may be the national sentiment, the thinking that prevails is that of the likes of senior Congress leader and former Union minister Mani Shankar Aiyar. In June last year, he had said, “The process of dialogue [with Pakistan] should be uninterrupted and uninterruptible.”

His rationale: “The biggest victim of terrorism has been Pakistan. The number of people killed in Pakistan due to terrorism is more than those killed anywhere else in the world.” It’s like saying that a chap who misbehaves with his women colleagues should not be punished because he also beats his own wife regularly! Poor wife-batterer! And poor Pakistan!

As I mentioned in earlier articles, there is a lot India can do to pressure Pakistan mend its ways without firing a shot. For that, the political class has to first resolve that the western neighbor ought to be punished. Second, we have to end all diplomatic and trade ties with it. Yes, it will mean the giving up of all what Aiyar says has been gained in the last many years. There will be an economic cost; there will also be the political cost in term of Muslim anger. But these costs have to be borne by those who want to take on Pakistan. There may not be very large number of politicians who would want this―and certainly there are none among the ‘secular’ ones―but that is beside the point. What I want to underline is the range of peaceful actions that we can take against Islamabad.

Third, we can use our economic might to bring Islamabad to its knees. We can forcefully ask Pakistan’s international backers and supporters to pressure it to hand over the culprits of 26/11, the torturers of Capt Saurabh Kalia and his five comrades, the recent offenders, and so on. We can launch a drive for the disbanding of the Friends of Democratic Pakistan (FoDP). The FoDP aims at supporting democracy in Pakistan and boost its social and economic development. Launched in New York on September 26, 2008―exactly a month before the 26/11 mass murder carried out by Paki terrorists―on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly session. The initial meeting was co-chaired by United States, United Kingdom, United Arab Emirates and Pakistan. The FoDP should not be allowed to grow into a monster.

India has the heft to launch, overtly as well as covertly, speculative attacks on Pakistan’s currency. We can also take measures to exacerbate its trade deficit, which during July-November 2012 exceeded the $8-billion mark.

There are many more ways in which Pakistan can be taught a lesson. But nothing of the sort will be done. The reason is that the Congress is full of leaders like Aiyar; besides, it has befriended the people who are sympathizers of anti-India forces, be it jihadist or Naxal. If anybody cries for a tough stand against Pakistan, they are accused of being jingoism and macho patriotism. And strict action against the Maoists is dismissed by Left-leaning intellectuals―who dominate the opinion-making apparatus―as ‘repression’ and ‘state terrorism.’

Their constant refrain is that the Maoists are our own people who are angry because of the lack of development. Even former home minister Shivraj Patil called the Maoists as “our brothers and sisters.” This, despite Prime Minister Manmohan Singh calling Maoism in February 2010 as “the biggest internal security challenge facing our country.”

The sympathizers in our system ignore the minor facts, such as “our brothers and sisters” massacre with impunity, terrorize citizens in the country’s poorest regions, recruit child soldiers, slaughter CRPF men, and plant bombs in the bellies of slain troopers.

Our soldiers and paramilitary men are being butchered. But the dukes, marquises, and counts of ancien regime are absolutely insouciant about the barbarity that our jawans face. For the grandees of the system sit pretty in the ivory towers of panchsheel, secularism, and socialism.


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RE: [IAC#RG] Objections of India Against Corruption to late submissions of political parties

Dear Mr. Sarabjit,

I am wondering how different you are from IAC (Kejriwal) group?

Dr. Kumar Arun
Michigan (USA)

Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:19:22 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Objections of India Against Corruption to late submissions of political parties

Dear Shri Parmar

It is not about AAP.

Let me put it in very simple terms.

Jet Airways Flight no. JSV is scheduled to take off at 5:00 PM.
IAC checks in on time and is settled in his seat like a good little boy.
OTH the AAP reaches late and holds up the flight till 7:00 PM
and then is escorted to business class.

WTF would you do ? Keep quite or protest ?

It is people like you advocating keeping quiet who allow
injustice and corruption to perpetuate. If this Committee can't even
draft a simple public notice, HTF are they going to write a report ?

Sarbajit

On 1/12/13, Balbir Vishwamitra Singh Parmar <bvsparmar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> I can understand your anguish on Aam Aadmi Party but your response is very
> childish. Justice Verma committee is not giving any patents or contracts
> that requires disqualification of late bidder. Secondly no one will be given
> credit for drafting the recommendations other than Justice Verma committee.
>
> Therefore why squabble. If there is a good point they will in anyway include
> it without even telling you that they have taken from AAP recommendations.
> We must not oppose something just for opposing it, it gives away the
> information about weakpoints in your armour.
>
> Let me tell you that I am not a supporter of AAP. Also I have my
> reservations about IAC as well. But that does not mean I start criticising
> the both. We must look at positive sides of everything.
>
> With best wishes and warm regards.
>
> Balbir Singh Parmar
> +91-9411891851
>
> Sainik Samaj Party

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Re: [IAC#RG] Objections of India Against Corruption to late submissions of political parties

Your anger I share. But having passed through decades of my anger and ineffectiveness of my anger, I try now coolly do fault tree analysis and zero'd on simple solution to change character of government , by making power useless for the main object of corrupt to steal public assets  through abuse of govt power.

The prime mover and generator of evil power destroying public interest in governance must be attacked if we want a change in our living.

Neither laws nor more police help. Honest ruler needed, of they are to be effective. See, even budding AAP through power of black mail can get undue advantages. Now one can understand the studied silence of the new party. No more weekly exposures before TV cameras. Amazing India!

Humans are not always, uniformly , at all times , in all conditions , can be expected to be so honest and error free . They are fallible. Systemic check against own fallibility is what is needed. Deterrence strategy kicks in only after crime is committed. If preventive measure can be implemented, much better. For all crimes it is not possible to get preventive steps.

But fortunately for abuse of govt power to steal public assets, preventive step available, to stop getting benefit of any such order against public interest, BEFORE the perpetrator gets benefit.

Looks like AAP too wants to grab govt power. Since they also want to retain the evil practice of compromising public interest in the shroud of secret file covers, I have little hope , the new budding party will do any good for the nation.

I am not against persons. But hypocrisy hurts.

When corrupt with prime objective of eye on public Monet for personal benefit, all laws, rule as, norms in society, values too get corrupted.

Old wisdom.
Rajaram Bojji  FIE., FNAE
+91 9885700007

On Jan 13, 2013 4:44 AM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Shri Parmar

It is not about AAP.

Let me put it in very simple terms.

Jet Airways Flight no. JSV is scheduled to take off at 5:00 PM.
IAC checks in on time and is settled in his seat like a good little boy.
OTH the AAP reaches late and holds up the flight till 7:00 PM
and then is escorted to business class.

WTF would you do ? Keep quite or protest ?

It is people like you advocating keeping quiet who allow
injustice and corruption to perpetuate. If this Committee can't even
draft a simple public notice, HTF are they going to write a report ?

Sarbajit

On 1/12/13, Balbir Vishwamitra Singh Parmar <bvsparmar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> I can understand your anguish on Aam Aadmi Party but your response is very
> childish. Justice Verma committee is not giving any patents or contracts
> that requires disqualification of late bidder. Secondly no one will be given
> credit for drafting the recommendations other than Justice Verma committee.
>
> Therefore why squabble. If there is a good point they will in anyway include
> it without even telling you that they have taken from AAP recommendations.
> We must not oppose something just for opposing it, it gives away the
> information about weakpoints in your armour.
>
> Let me tell you that I am not a supporter of AAP. Also I have my
> reservations about IAC as well. But that does not mean I start criticising
> the both. We must look at positive sides of everything.
>
> With best wishes and warm regards.
>
> Balbir Singh Parmar
> +91-9411891851
>
> Sainik Samaj Party

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Dear Shri Parmar

It is not about AAP.

Let me put it in very simple terms.

Jet Airways Flight no. JSV is scheduled to take off at 5:00 PM.
IAC checks in on time and is settled in his seat like a good little boy.
OTH the AAP reaches late and holds up the flight till 7:00 PM
and then is escorted to business class.

WTF would you do ? Keep quite or protest ?

It is people like you advocating keeping quiet who allow
injustice and corruption to perpetuate. If this Committee can't even
draft a simple public notice, HTF are they going to write a report ?

Sarbajit

On 1/12/13, Balbir Vishwamitra Singh Parmar <bvsparmar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> I can understand your anguish on Aam Aadmi Party but your response is very
> childish. Justice Verma committee is not giving any patents or contracts
> that requires disqualification of late bidder. Secondly no one will be given
> credit for drafting the recommendations other than Justice Verma committee.
>
> Therefore why squabble. If there is a good point they will in anyway include
> it without even telling you that they have taken from AAP recommendations.
> We must not oppose something just for opposing it, it gives away the
> information about weakpoints in your armour.
>
> Let me tell you that I am not a supporter of AAP. Also I have my
> reservations about IAC as well. But that does not mean I start criticising
> the both. We must look at positive sides of everything.
>
> With best wishes and warm regards.
>
> Balbir Singh Parmar
> +91-9411891851
>
> Sainik Samaj Party

Re: [IAC#RG] Judical System

Butchered jawans, callous politicians

Ravi Shanker Kapoor

 

A thread runs through the volatile Line of Control (LoC) in Kashmir and the killings fields of Latehar in Jharkhand―the thread of politicians’ treachery and pigheadedness against the backdrop of horrifying treatment meted out to the soldiers. Whether it is the fallen soldier who is beheaded by the Pakistan Army scoundrels or the murdered jawan of the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) whose body is mutilated and a bomb placed in his belly, there is a pattern in the events: while military and paramilitary troopers are valiantly fight the enemies of the Indian Republic, the political masters and opinion makers play the familiar smoke-and-mirror games.

Let’s begin with the pattern. After every outrage, there is sanctimonious indignation expressed by our political leaders. So, External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid described the killing of two soldiers and the mutilation of their bodies as “extremely shocking and unacceptable, even barbaric.” He went on to pontificate, “Whether they [Pakistanis] take responsibility or not is another matter, and we are still talking about that. But it cannot but be described as barbaric.”

“Still talking about” what? Whether there was a beheading or not? Whether Pakistanis did that? If yes, whether they were state or non-state actors? He talked about “proportionate response” by India. What is the content of the response, Minister? Is there anything specific? Is there anything apart from platitudes?

Taking refuge in bunkum, Defence Minister A.K. Antony also used vacuous adjectives like “provocative” and “inhuman.” He said, “We will convey our protest to the Pak government and our DGMO [Director General of Military Operations] will talk to his Pak counterpart. We are closely monitoring the situation.” Again, just platitudes and pro-forma statements.

Given the appeasement-loving nature of the Congress-led government, a military response is ruled out. But does it intend to respond at all? Does it even have a non-military response? Chances of even that are slim.

After the meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security, Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde was asked whether the outrage have any effect on the new recently relaxed India-Pakistan visa regime. He flatly denied any impact. He said, “Whatever agreement has been entered into, it will be carried on. There is no rethinking on visa agreement.”

In short, it will be business as usual. Whatever may be the national sentiment, the thinking that prevails is that of the likes of senior Congress leader and former Union minister Mani Shankar Aiyar. In June last year, he had said, “The process of dialogue [with Pakistan] should be uninterrupted and uninterruptible.”

His rationale: “The biggest victim of terrorism has been Pakistan. The number of people killed in Pakistan due to terrorism is more than those killed anywhere else in the world.” It’s like saying that a chap who misbehaves with his women colleagues should not be punished because he also beats his own wife regularly! Poor wife-batterer! And poor Pakistan!

As I mentioned in earlier articles, there is a lot India can do to pressure Pakistan mend its ways without firing a shot. For that, the political class has to first resolve that the western neighbor ought to be punished. Second, we have to end all diplomatic and trade ties with it. Yes, it will mean the giving up of all what Aiyar says has been gained in the last many years. There will be an economic cost; there will also be the political cost in term of Muslim anger. But these costs have to be borne by those who want to take on Pakistan. There may not be very large number of politicians who would want this―and certainly there are none among the ‘secular’ ones―but that is beside the point. What I want to underline is the range of peaceful actions that we can take against Islamabad.

Third, we can use our economic might to bring Islamabad to its knees. We can forcefully ask Pakistan’s international backers and supporters to pressure it to hand over the culprits of 26/11, the torturers of Capt Saurabh Kalia and his five comrades, the recent offenders, and so on. We can launch a drive for the disbanding of the Friends of Democratic Pakistan (FoDP). The FoDP aims at supporting democracy in Pakistan and boost its social and economic development. Launched in New York on September 26, 2008―exactly a month before the 26/11 mass murder carried out by Paki terrorists―on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly session. The initial meeting was co-chaired by United States, United Kingdom, United Arab Emirates and Pakistan. The FoDP should not be allowed to grow into a monster.

India has the heft to launch, overtly as well as covertly, speculative attacks on Pakistan’s currency. We can also take measures to exacerbate its trade deficit, which during July-November 2012 exceeded the $8-billion mark.

There are many more ways in which Pakistan can be taught a lesson. But nothing of the sort will be done. The reason is that the Congress is full of leaders like Aiyar; besides, it has befriended the people who are sympathizers of anti-India forces, be it jihadist or Naxal. If anybody cries for a tough stand against Pakistan, they are accused of being jingoism and macho patriotism. And strict action against the Maoists is dismissed by Left-leaning intellectuals―who dominate the opinion-making apparatus―as ‘repression’ and ‘state terrorism.’

Their constant refrain is that the Maoists are our own people who are angry because of the lack of development. Even former home minister Shivraj Patil called the Maoists as “our brothers and sisters.” This, despite Prime Minister Manmohan Singh calling Maoism in February 2010 as “the biggest internal security challenge facing our country.”

The sympathizers in our system ignore the minor facts, such as “our brothers and sisters” massacre with impunity, terrorize citizens in the country’s poorest regions, recruit child soldiers, slaughter CRPF men, and plant bombs in the bellies of slain troopers.

Our soldiers and paramilitary men are being butchered. But the dukes, marquises, and counts of ancien regime are absolutely insouciant about the barbarity that our jawans face. For the grandees of the system sit pretty in the ivory towers of panchsheel, secularism, and socialism.

Friday, January 11, 2013

RE: [IAC#RG] Judical System

Dt.12/1/13
 
Dear Sir,
The system of governance is based on constitution. Any meaningful change can be made through amendment in constitution. Amendment in constituion depends on parliament and change in parliament is possible through election which means electoral reforms and no political party wants reforms. Today also there is a Statement of Chief Election commissioner that the Govt. is sitting on their proposal to debar tainted candidates from contesting elections. this proposal is pending with Govt since 1998.
2.Mr. Dhillon is a wellmeaning person. Judiciary is our last hope but the system has reached a stage of near colapse. The pendency in courts is more than 3 crore cases and majority of cases are filed by Govt and they keep on going into apeals in a routine fashion.
3.Police reforms-even the directions of the supreme courts have not been implemented by Govt. on the pretext of consultation with State Govts.
4. Apoointment- there are about 25% vacancies not 50. Although orders are issued by Govt. but only in consultation with Judiciary. Normally the govt. does not interfer with judiciary and they in turn not interfere in policy matters and their implementation.
5. We have seen in case of Lokpal that even after prolonged peoples movement and govt. promises, thebill is still pending and if and when it is passed CBI will will remain under control of Govt 
 So where do you see the hope for better governace?
JKGaur

Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:41:41 +0530
From: pandey.vishal@icai.org
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Judical System

Before talking about judicial system, everyone should know that judicial system is part of Indian governance system. Now if whole Indian governance system is corrupt then how it's sub - part (i.e. judicial system) can remain spared, So expecting anything from judicial system is worthless.. It is the we (i.e. society) need to raise its voice. If we expect anything better for ourselves then we have to collectively raise the voice. Nobody from outside shall come to help us. Nor any system (i.e. judicial or any other system) can help us. It is only we that can save ourselves. The moment this awareness come into society, the power and dictate for running any system goes in the hand the society. So it is eventually society who decide its fortune and not somebody else. So come on India, realise your power and force our governance system to work as per need and dictate of the society and not on dictate of some powerful people.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com> wrote:
The country must continue to have faith in our judicial system.
However it needs to be emphasised that it can only function when the following judicial reforms are forced on the govt by the public--
1.Filling up all vacancies of judges at all levels.The selection procedure should be done by a judicial Commission and not by the govt,as is being done.Most of the courts are functioning at 50% or less than the auth numbers.
2. A time bound limit must be laid down for the completion and issue of the judgement my the Courts in all cases ie Civil,Criminal etc .No case can /should go on for more than one year.All civil cases must be decided within 6 months and all others within 12 months.
3. Adjournments should only be given for max 6 days and that also not more than 4 times,2 for the plaintiff and 2 for the respondent.The case can then only be finalised.People will then start having faith in the judiciary.
3.Police reforms must be comleted within 2 months and made independent of the political/IAS .LOK PAL Bill must be passed with CBI becoming independent.
4.THe courts will save the people and the country.
5Let us force the govt to take action
B S DHILLON

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Re: [IAC#RG] Objections of India Against Corruption to late submissions of political parties

Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
 
I can understand your anguish on Aam Aadmi Party but your response is very childish. Justice Verma committee is not giving any patents or contracts that requires disqualification of late bidder. Secondly no one will be given credit for drafting the recommendations other than Justice Verma committee.
 
Therefore why squabble. If there is a good point they will in anyway include it without even telling you that they have taken from AAP recommendations. We must not oppose something just for opposing it, it gives away the information about weakpoints in your armour.
 
Let me tell you that I am not a supporter of AAP. Also I have my reservations about IAC as well. But that does not mean I start criticising the both. We must look at positive sides of everything.
 
With best wishes and warm regards.
 
Balbir Singh Parmar
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Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 8:22 AM
Subject: [IAC#RG] Objections of India Against Corruption to late submissions of political parties

To:
Hon'ble Justice J.S.Verma Committee

Kind Attn: Hon'ble Justice (Retd) J.S.Verma and his co-committee members

Date: 12-January-2013

Respected Sirs / Madam

I refer to the submission of Shri Arvind Kejriwal purportedly on on behalf "Aam Aadmi Party" dated 07-January-2013 which is being circulated in public domain as having being submitted to your Hon'ble Committee.

India Against Corruption "IAC" opposes the consideration of all submissions made after the published due date of 05-Jan-2013.  It is pertinent to mention that it was very well known at the time of issuing the public notice inviting suggestions/comments that the 5th of January 2013 was a Saturday. If it was intended that submissions made on 07-Jan-2013 under the provision of the General Clauses Act would also be considered, the last date could very easily have been specified in the notice(s) as 7th January itself. As a result, many genuine "aam aadmis" have been deprived of participating in the public response process to your Hon'ble Committee due to the hastily drafted and misleading public notice.

The IAC therefore urges that it would be fit if all submissions received after 5-January 2013, including Aam Aadmi Party's are not taken into consideration / record by this Hon'ble Committee.

with best wishes

yours faithfully

Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor
India Against Corruption, jan andolan
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[IAC#RG] Objections of India Against Corruption to late submissions of political parties

To:
Hon'ble Justice J.S.Verma Committee

Kind Attn: Hon'ble Justice (Retd) J.S.Verma and his co-committee members

Date: 12-January-2013

Respected Sirs / Madam

I refer to the submission of Shri Arvind Kejriwal purportedly on on behalf "Aam Aadmi Party" dated 07-January-2013 which is being circulated in public domain as having being submitted to your Hon'ble Committee.

India Against Corruption "IAC" opposes the consideration of all submissions made after the published due date of 05-Jan-2013.  It is pertinent to mention that it was very well known at the time of issuing the public notice inviting suggestions/comments that the 5th of January 2013 was a Saturday. If it was intended that submissions made on 07-Jan-2013 under the provision of the General Clauses Act would also be considered, the last date could very easily have been specified in the notice(s) as 7th January itself. As a result, many genuine "aam aadmis" have been deprived of participating in the public response process to your Hon'ble Committee due to the hastily drafted and misleading public notice.

The IAC therefore urges that it would be fit if all submissions received after 5-January 2013, including Aam Aadmi Party's are not taken into consideration / record by this Hon'ble Committee.

with best wishes

yours faithfully

Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor
India Against Corruption, jan andolan
B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi 110024



Re: [IAC#RG] REMINDER of GRIEVANCE: Re: URGENT: Maintaining records of the Hon'ble Committee for retrieval under Right to Information Act.

Hi Friends,
               We all were aware of the type of functioning of such committees.Though the Hon CJ is an appropriate choice,if he is not provided the required establishment,the office become redundant.Even when the regular machinery is now functioning rather lackadaisically,we may not get much out of this. Mera Bharath Mahan . R G Nair


On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:19 PM, kalyanam sundaresan <ask_maadhyama@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Mr. Sarbajit Roy,

Again you are arrogant and that arrogantness  leads you to emotional.  You are now finding faults with IAS, Judges and Stenographers.  In an Administration whether it is Govt. or Private, all functionaries are important.  Please don't generalise  and cast aspersions on IAS, Judges or Stenographers. All are important in the functioning of a Govt. or Private.  Please tell me " WHICH PART OF THE HUMAN BODY IS LEAST IMPORTANT ? I KNOW YOU CANNOT LEAVE ANY PART OF THE BODY AS UNIMPORTANT.  SIMILARLY, YOU CANNOT SAY IAS, JUDGES, STENOGRAPHERS ARE BAD AND OTHERS ARE GOOD.  IN AN ORGANISATION, STENOGRAPHERS ARE MOST IMPORTANT.  THERE MAY BE SOME BLACK SHEEP.  TELL ME IN WHICH FIELD OR CATEGORY  THERE ARE NO BLACK SHEEP,  BECAUSE SOME IAS, JUDGES AND STENOGRAPHERS HAD INDULGED IN WRONG DOINGS, YOU CANNOT GENERALISE THEM AS BAD. 

TO WORK IN THE IAC AND TO ACHIEVE ITS GOAL,  FIRST YOU SHOULD SHED YOUR ARROGANCE AND EMOTIONS.  IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO SHED YOUR ARROGANCE AND EMOTIONS, PLEASE CONSULT A GOOD HRD CONSULTANT/COUNSELOR OR PSYCHIATRISTS.  

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Re: [IAC#RG] THE CRIMINAL LAW (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2012

Vidyut

The Justice Verma Committee's mandate is a general roving and fishing
one designed to get inputs from "aam janata" on a wide variety of laws
- hence IAC gave them a roving and general response. The Rajya Sabha
bill however is very specific on amending only a few sections of law.
This will have to be tackled differently and in some detail.

Sarbajit

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> can't we just cc them the same?
>
> Or is there a new angle?
>
> Vidyut

Re: [IAC#RG] REMINDER of GRIEVANCE: Re: URGENT: Maintaining records of the Hon'ble Committee for retrieval under Right to Information Act.

Public are here to suffer while Powerful / Rich / Politicians and their kins swindle the money & rape this country.
Innumerable politicians in every state and in central government and their relatives/friends are still out in the loose, while police troubles the innocent people everyday!

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Re: [IAC#RG] REMINDER of GRIEVANCE: Re: URGENT: Maintaining records of the Hon'ble Committee for retrieval under Right to Information Act.

Mr. Sarbajit Roy,

Again you are arrogant and that arrogantness  leads you to emotional.  You are now finding faults with IAS, Judges and Stenographers.  In an Administration whether it is Govt. or Private, all functionaries are important.  Please don't generalise  and cast aspersions on IAS, Judges or Stenographers. All are important in the functioning of a Govt. or Private.  Please tell me " WHICH PART OF THE HUMAN BODY IS LEAST IMPORTANT ? I KNOW YOU CANNOT LEAVE ANY PART OF THE BODY AS UNIMPORTANT.  SIMILARLY, YOU CANNOT SAY IAS, JUDGES, STENOGRAPHERS ARE BAD AND OTHERS ARE GOOD.  IN AN ORGANISATION, STENOGRAPHERS ARE MOST IMPORTANT.  THERE MAY BE SOME BLACK SHEEP.  TELL ME IN WHICH FIELD OR CATEGORY  THERE ARE NO BLACK SHEEP,  BECAUSE SOME IAS, JUDGES AND STENOGRAPHERS HAD INDULGED IN WRONG DOINGS, YOU CANNOT GENERALISE THEM AS BAD. 

TO WORK IN THE IAC AND TO ACHIEVE ITS GOAL,  FIRST YOU SHOULD SHED YOUR ARROGANCE AND EMOTIONS.  IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO SHED YOUR ARROGANCE AND EMOTIONS, PLEASE CONSULT A GOOD HRD CONSULTANT/COUNSELOR OR PSYCHIATRISTS.  

With Best Regards,
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29/13, RUKMANI STREET,
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God bless you. I hope we leave our nation much better for future generations.

Rajaram Bojji  FIE., FNAE
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On Jan 11, 2013 10:00 PM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Bojji

I'm so glad that the misunderstandings which occur over an impersonal medium like email get resolved when we express frankly. I think all our list members should know that you were MD of Konkan Railways which was a feat of tremendous engineering.

At the time of drafting our IAC charter we introspected on what our issues to focus on should be.

After placing primacy on defence of India/Armed Forces, we placed "Ensuring supremacy of qualified professionals/specialists in their field" as number 2.

There is this horrible culture in India of generalists (IAS, judges and stenographers) who interfere in every sphere of life.

As professionals - engineers, doctors, CAs, Masters of War, Architects,IT specialists, Railwaymen, Pilots etc. we should be masters in our own field instead of being dictated to by Arts graduates or lessers with diplomas in English from non-existent universities or bumped up stenographers.

I absolutely agree that attack and emotional violence are not the way forward, especially for the younger generation who ought to realise this (but who are genetically - and now electronically - programmed to rebel against their elders).

I also agree that RTI is another fraud. In fact our blog boldly says so [http://rti4citizens.blogspot.in/] in the following words

"The Right to Information Act 2005, is the biggest fraud inflicted upon on the citizens since the Nehru-Gandhi family."

BUT, knowing in advance that it is a fraud, it is still a wonderful tool to misuse. As I often say (and you can google search with "Sarbajit's first law")

"RTI Act is not to be used but misused"

Warmly

Sarbajit

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr Sarabjit ,

My comment about electronic trash is about our emails to J Verma!!!

It was not about this groups' capability!

That comment was against your mail to J Verma and some one saying we do not get any ack. From there.

So now hope misunderstanding removed.

In anger you said my views are that of a frustrated govt retiree.

I disagree. I did what all I wanted to do within the system but my work is internationally recognised. I am a fulfilled man., I am grateful to my country for the great opportunities provides to me.

I loved my work and I and my team thoroughly enjoyed our hard work. Seven years after retirement BBC just covered our work in UK recognising ,my contribution, seeking me out from US to come to Goa and record live on site!!

We are rich in intellectual capital.  We find ten solutions for every problem and have enough around, to find hundred problems for each solution.

I am not frustrated . But would like future generations to be better than me.

I did walk my talk. I did practice what I am recommending as the final solution .

Cab Minsters never came near my organisation over 7 years because my files are open on web.

I am trying to help. Simple effective logical method to prevent. Attack and emotional violence are not the means.

I can only do my best. I do not get emotionally taken in by the others accepting or rejecting but, willing to debate issues thoroughly.

I believe RTI is none of the frauds on our nation. I know how ministries sanitise the information.

Well all the best to you. My feeling is your email to J Verma is going in to
Electronic trash

Better send written snail mail too!

Hare Krishna!

Rajaram Bojji  FIE., FNAE
+91 9885700007

On Jan 10, 2013 9:45 PM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Bojji

I had read with considerable interest your article in MoneyLife. Your viewpoint is that of an ex-Govt functionary frustrated by the system and who believes that all the ills afflicting India will be magically washed away by the silver bullet of publishing the entire file record for matters with large financial implications. You also passed certain remarks about RTI activists.

Where you see problems, others see opportunity. There are many  members of this list who know how to wield the Govt's own weapons (ie. their own rules and procedures). against them. You dont know what we have achieved because unlike most RTI activists who can only run to the media or into the arms of false prophets peddling hope, we operate silently and away from the media.

What we are publishing in this thread is only a very small example of the weapons in this IAC's armoury.

The Cassandras of dooms can scream we are useless, but in the end it is the disciplined plodders with their donkey work who get things achieved, and it is donkeys who are taken very seriously by the "system" because they know that the Kejriwal's and Bhushans are flashes in the pan who can only ejaculate prematurely and fade away whereas we old pros can bang away continuously all night long.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminds me of Black Hole! Your emotional outbursts are diverted through electronic media , in to electronic trash, to be finally deleted after one year as per GoI regulations?





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Re: [IAC#RG] Judical System

Mostly it depends on the spirit of students studying therein rathernthan the institutions themselves.
I know some brilliant people who come out from mediocre institutions.

On Thursday, January 10, 2013, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
> DearMr Babubhai Vaghela,
> Greetings.
> Some want IIM ( or IIT) to study and rectify our Judicial System. Don't think ALl the Alumnae of these mighty institutions ,are ALLparagons of virtue .Only some are .And, they are trying and during their endeavors are getting hurt also.Good citizenship still exists and is not monopoly of any single establishment. What is required is to start the journey , (Good people like you have already started) and let the' caravan' gather in strength .Leaders and followers constitute an environment,where a leader becomes a follower and follows the new leader from the community as and when situation demands ,as in "sambhavami ,yuge,  yuge"
> ." Dharmo, raxita ,raxite".
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> From: Babubhai Vaghela
> Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013
> Subject: [IAC#RG] Judical System
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
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>
> My experience of Judiciary in two PILs -
> (1) IIM CAT 2009 PIL Documents - https://t.co/Ggtz1Mjj
> (2) AIBE Advocates Exam PIL - 
> RTI Activist PIL Petitioner approached Chief Justice of India two years back
> http://t.co/ZflW2ed9http://t.co/GNy3Un6d
> Transfer Petition yet not heard / not decided.
> You be the Judges.
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Transparency International India <tiindia.newdelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
> Kindly accept our compliments for the nice suggestions. 
>
> In this contest, we would like to mention that currently our society is suffering from ill-governance, resulting in the sufferings of the common man. These include. among others, increasing law & order problems; But such a situation is just because there is no accountability of the Investigating Officer (IOs) and the Public Prosecutor (PPs). If they are held accountable for any undue delay and let off & punishment, then not only congestion in courts would come down, our policing will become effective, and delivery of justice & governance will improve.  For this, only Judiciary has to pass strict structures and recommend the punishment for erring IOs and PPs.
>   
> Further, I feel our present judicial system requires an efficient management. It can only be possible by making judiciary accountable for -
> (a) unnecessary adjournments and prolonging arguments;
> (b) disappointing witnesses and treating them like a bonded person at the cost of their personal life and family security; and
> (c) putting a large number of cases on the day of hearing which are not possible to deal with. Before taking up any case, it should be scrutinised whether the case is complete in all respects. Besides, I would like to add two points for speedy disposal of cases and reduction of cases:
>  
> (a) A lawyer should be engaged only if the court feels necessary. The parties concerned should come to the court with all the evidences at their disposal and argue the cases themselves. And the judge should pronounce the judgment based on their evidences.
>
> (b) To reduce the number of cases, specify minimum punishment for every offence.  Presently we have laid down 'maximum punishment."  Maximum punishment is to be "life or death" even for a minor offence such as ignoring the red signal.
>
> Thanks & regards,
> S K Agarwal
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Jasminder Dhillon <biloodhilon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The country must continue to have faith in our judicial system.
> However it needs to be emphasised that it can only function when the following judicial reforms are forced on the govt by the public--
> 1.Filling up all vacancies of judges at all levels.The selection procedure should be done by a judicial Commission and not by the govt,as is being done.Most of the courts are functioning at 50% or less than the auth numbers.
> 2. A time bound limit must be laid down for the completion and issue of the judgement my the Courts in all cases ie Civil,Criminal etc .No case can /should go on for more than one year.All civil cases must be decided within 6 months and all others within 12 months.
> 3. Adjournments should only be given for max 6 days and that also not more than 4 times,2 for the plaintiff and 2 for the respondent.The case can then only be finalised.People will then start having faith in the judiciary.
> 3.Police reforms must be comleted within 2 months and made independent of the political/IAS .LOK PAL Bill must be passed with CBI becoming independent.
> 4.THe courts will save the people and the country.
> 5Let us force the govt to take action
> B S DHILLON
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[IAC#RG] Babubhai Vaghela submitted Memoranda to Parliamentary Standing Committee on Home Affairs - Criminal Law (Amendment) Bill 2012.


Re: [IAC#RG] THE CRIMINAL LAW (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2012

Dear  Sarbajit,

I am Always with you.

Rajesh Jadon
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear IAC members

As we expected, the Govt has been forced to up the ante of this dubious sham of a Justice Verma Committee.

Yesterday, the Rajya Sabha published a notice (dated 8.Jan..2013) calling for suggestions on the "rape" legislation introduced on 4.Dec.2012. (text below)

http://164.100.47.5/newcommittee/press_release/Press/Committee%20on%20Home%20Affairs/press%20release.doc

Our IAC "Save India" sub-Committee which drafted the response to Justice Verma is back in action. Anyone else who wishes to join us may email me or reply to this email

Sarbajit

PRESS RELEASE

STANDING COMMITTEE ON HOME AFFAIRS INVITES SUGGESTIONS ON THE CRIMINAL LAW (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2012

 

The Criminal Law (Amendment) Bill, 2012  as  introduced in   the  Lok  Sabha   on  4 December 2012  and  pending  therein,  has  been  referred  to  Department-related   Parliamentary  Standing Committee on Home Affairs, headed by Shri M. Venkaiah Naidu, M.P. Rajya Sabha for examination and report. The Bill seeks to amend the Indian Penal Code, 1860, the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973 and the Indian Evidence Act, 1872 to review laws related to rape/sexual offences. 

2.         The Committee has decided to invite suggestions in the form of written memoranda from the public/associations/women organizations/civil societies, etc, on the provisions of the Bill.

3.         Those desirous of submitting written memoranda to the Committee, may send the same   to Shri D. K. Mishra, Joint Director, Rajya Sabha Secretariat, Room No. 142, First Floor, Parliament House Annexe, New Delhi-110001 {Tele: 23035410 (O) and 23012007 (fax)} latest by 28th January, 2013.

4.         The memorandum which might be submitted to the Committee, would form part of its records and treated as confidential and, therefore, should not be printed, circulated or publicized by anyone, as such an act would constitute a breach of privilege of the Committee.

5.         Individuals/stakeholders may obtain, on written request, a copy of the Bill, from Shri Bhupendra Bhaskar, Assistant Director, Rajya Sabha Secretariat, Cabin 'A', Basement, Parliament House Annexe, New Delhi-110001 (Telephone No. 011-23034034). The electronic text of the Bill can also be down loaded from the Rajya Sabha Website www.rajyasabha.nic.in. ® Bills with Committees.

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Re: [IAC#RG] THE CRIMINAL LAW (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2012

can't we just cc them the same?

Or is there a new angle?

Vidyut

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear IAC members

As we expected, the Govt has been forced to up the ante of this dubious sham of a Justice Verma Committee.

Yesterday, the Rajya Sabha published a notice (dated 8.Jan..2013) calling for suggestions on the "rape" legislation introduced on 4.Dec.2012. (text below)

http://164.100.47.5/newcommittee/press_release/Press/Committee%20on%20Home%20Affairs/press%20release.doc

Our IAC "Save India" sub-Committee which drafted the response to Justice Verma is back in action. Anyone else who wishes to join us may email me or reply to this email

Sarbajit

PRESS RELEASE

STANDING COMMITTEE ON HOME AFFAIRS INVITES SUGGESTIONS ON THE CRIMINAL LAW (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2012

 

The Criminal Law (Amendment) Bill, 2012  as  introduced in   the  Lok  Sabha   on  4 December 2012  and  pending  therein,  has  been  referred  to  Department-related   Parliamentary  Standing Committee on Home Affairs, headed by Shri M. Venkaiah Naidu, M.P. Rajya Sabha for examination and report. The Bill seeks to amend the Indian Penal Code, 1860, the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973 and the Indian Evidence Act, 1872 to review laws related to rape/sexual offences. 

2.         The Committee has decided to invite suggestions in the form of written memoranda from the public/associations/women organizations/civil societies, etc, on the provisions of the Bill.

3.         Those desirous of submitting written memoranda to the Committee, may send the same   to Shri D. K. Mishra, Joint Director, Rajya Sabha Secretariat, Room No. 142, First Floor, Parliament House Annexe, New Delhi-110001 {Tele: 23035410 (O) and 23012007 (fax)} latest by 28th January, 2013.

4.         The memorandum which might be submitted to the Committee, would form part of its records and treated as confidential and, therefore, should not be printed, circulated or publicized by anyone, as such an act would constitute a breach of privilege of the Committee.

5.         Individuals/stakeholders may obtain, on written request, a copy of the Bill, from Shri Bhupendra Bhaskar, Assistant Director, Rajya Sabha Secretariat, Cabin 'A', Basement, Parliament House Annexe, New Delhi-110001 (Telephone No. 011-23034034). The electronic text of the Bill can also be down loaded from the Rajya Sabha Website www.rajyasabha.nic.in. ® Bills with Committees.

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Re: [IAC#RG] REMINDER of GRIEVANCE: Re: URGENT: Maintaining records of the Hon'ble Committee for retrieval under Right to Information Act.

Dear Mr Bojji

I'm so glad that the misunderstandings which occur over an impersonal medium like email get resolved when we express frankly. I think all our list members should know that you were MD of Konkan Railways which was a feat of tremendous engineering.

At the time of drafting our IAC charter we introspected on what our issues to focus on should be.

After placing primacy on defence of India/Armed Forces, we placed "Ensuring supremacy of qualified professionals/specialists in their field" as number 2.

There is this horrible culture in India of generalists (IAS, judges and stenographers) who interfere in every sphere of life.

As professionals - engineers, doctors, CAs, Masters of War, Architects,IT specialists, Railwaymen, Pilots etc. we should be masters in our own field instead of being dictated to by Arts graduates or lessers with diplomas in English from non-existent universities or bumped up stenographers.

I absolutely agree that attack and emotional violence are not the way forward, especially for the younger generation who ought to realise this (but who are genetically - and now electronically - programmed to rebel against their elders).

I also agree that RTI is another fraud. In fact our blog boldly says so [http://rti4citizens.blogspot.in/] in the following words

"The Right to Information Act 2005, is the biggest fraud inflicted upon on the citizens since the Nehru-Gandhi family."

BUT, knowing in advance that it is a fraud, it is still a wonderful tool to misuse. As I often say (and you can google search with "Sarbajit's first law")

"RTI Act is not to be used but misused"

Warmly

Sarbajit

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr Sarabjit ,

My comment about electronic trash is about our emails to J Verma!!!

It was not about this groups' capability!

That comment was against your mail to J Verma and some one saying we do not get any ack. From there.

So now hope misunderstanding removed.

In anger you said my views are that of a frustrated govt retiree.

I disagree. I did what all I wanted to do within the system but my work is internationally recognised. I am a fulfilled man., I am grateful to my country for the great opportunities provides to me.

I loved my work and I and my team thoroughly enjoyed our hard work. Seven years after retirement BBC just covered our work in UK recognising ,my contribution, seeking me out from US to come to Goa and record live on site!!

We are rich in intellectual capital.  We find ten solutions for every problem and have enough around, to find hundred problems for each solution.

I am not frustrated . But would like future generations to be better than me.

I did walk my talk. I did practice what I am recommending as the final solution .

Cab Minsters never came near my organisation over 7 years because my files are open on web.

I am trying to help. Simple effective logical method to prevent. Attack and emotional violence are not the means.

I can only do my best. I do not get emotionally taken in by the others accepting or rejecting but, willing to debate issues thoroughly.

I believe RTI is none of the frauds on our nation. I know how ministries sanitise the information.

Well all the best to you. My feeling is your email to J Verma is going in to
Electronic trash

Better send written snail mail too!

Hare Krishna!

Rajaram Bojji  FIE., FNAE
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On Jan 10, 2013 9:45 PM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Bojji

I had read with considerable interest your article in MoneyLife. Your viewpoint is that of an ex-Govt functionary frustrated by the system and who believes that all the ills afflicting India will be magically washed away by the silver bullet of publishing the entire file record for matters with large financial implications. You also passed certain remarks about RTI activists.

Where you see problems, others see opportunity. There are many  members of this list who know how to wield the Govt's own weapons (ie. their own rules and procedures). against them. You dont know what we have achieved because unlike most RTI activists who can only run to the media or into the arms of false prophets peddling hope, we operate silently and away from the media.

What we are publishing in this thread is only a very small example of the weapons in this IAC's armoury.

The Cassandras of dooms can scream we are useless, but in the end it is the disciplined plodders with their donkey work who get things achieved, and it is donkeys who are taken very seriously by the "system" because they know that the Kejriwal's and Bhushans are flashes in the pan who can only ejaculate prematurely and fade away whereas we old pros can bang away continuously all night long.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Rajaram Bojji <rajaram.bojji@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminds me of Black Hole! Your emotional outbursts are diverted through electronic media , in to electronic trash, to be finally deleted after one year as per GoI regulations?





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