Saturday, February 16, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Who are these VIPS & VVIPS?

Dear Mr. Sabhlok

In deference to your advanced age and advanced views we have not taken issue with you so far and despite the fact that you have produced an anti-Hindu and anti-India son like Sanjeev who had to leave the IAS and citizenship of India for reasons which are very well known - INCOMPETENCE and CORRUPTION - and now as a very junior employee of foreign governments is having to sing for his supper by attempting to destroy the fabric of India's Constitutional SOCIALIST democracy by peddling the alternative model of CAPITALIST OLIGARCHY imposed by his foreign masters/employers.

Your son Sanjeev, while masquerading as a great economist on internet and social media,  in reality was only educated in India up to a B.Sc degree in General science from a nondescript Indian University. He somehow obtained a M.A in Economic by CORRESPONDENCE COURSE, which was then used by him to take a 5 year sojourn in USA (arranged by his CIA handlers) paid for by the tax-payers of India to get a "proper MA and PhD" in capitalist theory from University of Southern California.

You will surely agree that your son could only get all these extraordinary facilities because he was a VVIP in SOCIALIST India (as an IAS), and he should return / surender all these foreign degrees and doctorates which the poor starving people in India at the very bottom of the SOCIALIST pyramid have been squeezed for, and which now enable him to work for foreign powers.

Let me further say that your son is not the only such FOREIGN FINANCED and sponsored ex-IAS / ex-IPS / ex IRS traitor who presumes to agitate the citizens against "our SOCIALIST culture". Others include

1) Ms. Kiran Bedi
2) Ms. Aruna Roy
3) Mr Harsh Mander
4) Mr. Shekhar Singh
5) Mr. Arvind Kejriwala
6) Dr.Jaiprakash Narayan etc etc...

and too many others to name

Finally, on what basis do you even presume / dare to speak of "our Vedic culture". If your Vedic Culture is represented by the Mahabharatha (of which the holy Gita is a part) then your Vedic Culture's golden age  was equally corrupt with open wining, gambling, "rape" of women, polygamy, polyandry etc. Are you displeased that the "Nehruvian" Hindu Code of 1956 removed all these social evils and ensured that "Hindus" (as defined in law)  today only constitute less than 36% of India's population? Are you not aware that the Supreme Court in the famous DAV (Arya Samaj) case held that Hindus constitute a minority in Punjab. But of course you and your son don't speak of  this because you are bhakts/ bhagats/paid propagandists of another anti-Hindu foreign power - Baba Ramdev - who as per your son's propaganda testimony produces certain preparations employing thousands of Muslims. God alone knows what goes into these concoctions which Hindus can't to handle. For example the baba's famously cheap tooth pastes, is the calcium content therein obtained from our holy gau mata ?

If any message is to be learned from Vedic culture, it is that evil exists and will continue to exist and that godly persons should not shrink from doing their duty to oppose corruption wherever it is found. That Vedic, (and Biblical, and Quranic etc..)   message is the motto of India Against Corruption and in the glorious continuing tradition of Sardar Patel, Lokmanya Tilak,  Lal Bahadur Shastri etc as part of HRA's  SECULAR SOCIALIST heritage.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Prem Sabhlok <premsabhlok@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
In Socialism all actions are Top down and leaders/VIPs/VVIPs do not feel safe as they are not voice of the people..VIVPs/Leaders are dumped from above largely belonging to a few families and those who come from grassroot are not allowed to become national leaders. Socialism allows even nomination of country's Prime Minister who functions as rubberstamp being non political individual and not leader of the masses.  
 
 
 In Liberalism, Freedom, Swaraj, it is Bottom up and leaders are the genuine voice of the people. It is hightime we say goodbye to Socialism intorduced by Pt Nehru much against Gandhian philosophy and Vedic simple and noble teachings
Strengten local governments and see the magnetic effect how we get the VVIPs like Sardar Vallabhbahi Patel, Lokmanya Tilak, Gokhale, even Lal Bahadur Shastri and others.
Socialism destroyed USSR and many European states.
Our Vedic culture encourages freedom, Swaraj and liberalism. .
Regards
Prem Sabhlok

Re: [IAC#RG] Who are these VIPS & VVIPS?

In Socialism all actions are Top down and leaders/VIPs/VVIPs do not feel safe as they are not voice of the people..VIVPs/Leaders are dumped from above largely belonging to a few families and those who come from grassroot are not allowed to become national leaders. Socialism allows even nomination of country's Prime Minister who functions as rubberstamp being non political individual and not leader of the masses.  
 
 
 In Liberalism, Freedom, Swaraj, it is Bottom up and leaders are the genuine voice of the people. It is hightime we say goodbye to Socialism intorduced by Pt Nehru much against Gandhian philosophy and Vedic simple and noble teachings
Strengten local governments and see the magnetic effect how we get the VVIPs like Sardar Vallabhbahi Patel, Lokmanya Tilak, Gokhale, even Lal Bahadur Shastri and others.
Socialism destroyed USSR and many European states.
Our Vedic culture encourages freedom, Swaraj and liberalism. .
Regards
Prem Sabhlok
 
 
 

--- On Sat, 16/2/13, M Rajagopal <mrrajagop@gmail.com> wrote:

From: M Rajagopal <mrrajagop@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Who are these VIPS & VVIPS?
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Saturday, 16 February, 2013, 9:52 PM

This no doubt is an ideal situation to be emulated. But unfortunately even in Sweden, a Scandinavian country, Olef Palme its Prime Minister was shot dead while driving his car back home after watching a cinema. Probably after this incident, that country started providing security guards to its Prime Minister. As a sample Rajiv Gandhi during his first visit to the North east was driving the Maruthi Gypsy convertible with his family by his side, and no security guards at least inside the vehicle. Alas! that was probably before the Boffors scandal.
=====Rajagopal.=====

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Dr Nilesh Baxi <drnilesh.baxi@gmail.com> wrote:
In Scandinavian countries, Ministers drive their own vehicles and do not have any entourage. Except the PM or President, there are no security guards accompanying them.
To begging with, they may be provided 1 or 2 guards per VIP/VVIP. Ban VVIPS from officially travelling on roads, they can travel incognito.
PM/President may travel by helicopter. Various categories of security should be abolished.
When they take oath of the office, this should be made part of the oath.
 
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Re: [IAC#RG] Who are these VIPS & VVIPS?

This no doubt is an ideal situation to be emulated. But unfortunately even in Sweden, a Scandinavian country, Olef Palme its Prime Minister was shot dead while driving his car back home after watching a cinema. Probably after this incident, that country started providing security guards to its Prime Minister. As a sample Rajiv Gandhi during his first visit to the North east was driving the Maruthi Gypsy convertible with his family by his side, and no security guards at least inside the vehicle. Alas! that was probably before the Boffors scandal.
=====Rajagopal.=====

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Dr Nilesh Baxi <drnilesh.baxi@gmail.com> wrote:
In Scandinavian countries, Ministers drive their own vehicles and do not have any entourage. Except the PM or President, there are no security guards accompanying them.
To begging with, they may be provided 1 or 2 guards per VIP/VVIP. Ban VVIPS from officially travelling on roads, they can travel incognito.
PM/President may travel by helicopter. Various categories of security should be abolished.
When they take oath of the office, this should be made part of the oath.
 
Dr Nilesh Baxi  98200 85007
Civic, Consumer, Social Activist & Environmentalist
Founder Secretary,
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Re: [IAC#RG] Disinvestment

Dear Ravi

A real social activist would not have placed you in that situation in the first place.

It is not a citizen's job to trap corrupt officers or give witness in CBI courts. That is the Government's job/function.

A RTI is not filed to trap or expose corrupt people / public servants.

It is very important for citizens to distinguish between "genuine" social activist and the "fake" ones. Actually some of the fake activists are actively hand-in-glove with the corrupt  forces, and good / naive people like you are merely used as cannon fodder so that one corrupt faction can attack another.

Now that you are wiser, you should consider getting back in the game.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Ravi George <ravi@paradigm.in> wrote:
I have had my own little successes with filing RTIs. And I have exposed a central government officer trying to collect a bribe. I have stood witness in a CBI court testifying against this corrupt officer. And, I have suffered the consequences!.

When I came across these consequences, the social activists who encouraged me to expose the crime, ditched me.

Now I have aged and have lost the fire in me. The messages I see on this email list looks to be rekindling that fire.... But will I again be left alone?.


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On 15-Feb-2013, at 5:25 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Ravi

Your short post has many nuggets in it.

1)  All salaried employees have PF deducted compulsorily which is invested arbitrarily somewhere. The public has no control where it goes or how it is invested. Simply think of it as one big Ponzi scheme which is backed by a Govt which can print as much money as it needs to paper its losses. This is known as "sovereign guarantee" and is a powerful tool for Govt to maintain the status quo and which is why the "salaried middle class" cannot be relied on to support radical  change.

2)  You want to do something which has no comebacks to you, or you want somebody else to do it for you. This is yet another typical urban approach - pass the "buck" onto somebody else, give your garlands and offerings to false gods and false prophets and go home deluded that you have done your bit for the "cause".

3) Are you prepared to file an RTI ? This is the most basic of steps any corruption fighter must be prepared to do. People who have riches to lose - say a business built up over the years,  are too scared - images of murdered RTI activists swim before their eyes - and they find 10 excuses not to do so. For poor people or desperate people with everything to lose, even filing an RTI is not a powerful enough tool for them and they want better AK-47s.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Ravi George <ravi@paradigm.in> wrote:
Dear Col. Joshi,

Glad to know someone else also has the same thoughts as me on the subject. You are right, PC has his eyes on the funds where people have parked their savings. Sooner or later Providend  Fund will start investing in companies which are put up for disinvestment. I hear that already PF dept's pension schemed is in shambles.

What can we do other than being silent onlookers?. If we do something, the beurocratic machinery  will see that we are destroyed, I am speaking from personal experience.

Ravi George 


On Friday, February 15, 2013, arun joshi wrote:
Dear Ravi,
You may recollect the person who was partially or wholly for the UTI fiasco. Did Dhirubhai/Mukesh/Anil benefit?
The same fundamentals are being enforced today. Personally I always expected this when PC took over as FM. 



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Friday, February 15, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Disinvestment

No Mr. Ravi., i will stand with you. Having seen many people like you speaking for others having its desired impact on the society, its time for others to share the responsibility.




On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Ravi George <ravi@paradigm.in> wrote:
I have had my own little successes with filing RTIs. And I have exposed a central government officer trying to collect a bribe. I have stood witness in a CBI court testifying against this corrupt officer. And, I have suffered the consequences!.

When I came across these consequences, the social activists who encouraged me to expose the crime, ditched me.

Now I have aged and have lost the fire in me. The messages I see on this email list looks to be rekindling that fire.... But will I again be left alone?.


Sent from my iPad

On 15-Feb-2013, at 5:25 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Ravi

Your short post has many nuggets in it.

1)  All salaried employees have PF deducted compulsorily which is invested arbitrarily somewhere. The public has no control where it goes or how it is invested. Simply think of it as one big Ponzi scheme which is backed by a Govt which can print as much money as it needs to paper its losses. This is known as "sovereign guarantee" and is a powerful tool for Govt to maintain the status quo and which is why the "salaried middle class" cannot be relied on to support radical  change.

2)  You want to do something which has no comebacks to you, or you want somebody else to do it for you. This is yet another typical urban approach - pass the "buck" onto somebody else, give your garlands and offerings to false gods and false prophets and go home deluded that you have done your bit for the "cause".

3) Are you prepared to file an RTI ? This is the most basic of steps any corruption fighter must be prepared to do. People who have riches to lose - say a business built up over the years,  are too scared - images of murdered RTI activists swim before their eyes - and they find 10 excuses not to do so. For poor people or desperate people with everything to lose, even filing an RTI is not a powerful enough tool for them and they want better AK-47s.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Ravi George <ravi@paradigm.in> wrote:
Dear Col. Joshi,

Glad to know someone else also has the same thoughts as me on the subject. You are right, PC has his eyes on the funds where people have parked their savings. Sooner or later Providend  Fund will start investing in companies which are put up for disinvestment. I hear that already PF dept's pension schemed is in shambles.

What can we do other than being silent onlookers?. If we do something, the beurocratic machinery  will see that we are destroyed, I am speaking from personal experience.

Ravi George 


On Friday, February 15, 2013, arun joshi wrote:
Dear Ravi,
You may recollect the person who was partially or wholly for the UTI fiasco. Did Dhirubhai/Mukesh/Anil benefit?
The same fundamentals are being enforced today. Personally I always expected this when PC took over as FM. 



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Re: [IAC#RG] Disinvestment

Ravi ji. Frankly speaking,am sure whole lot of us here hve similar experience like you. The following is not to hurt sentiments but a regular rwa type advised us a few yrs bck that this kind of inbuilt corruption is inherent. We all wish we had a solution. At least we are talking abt it.
Regards.

On Feb 15, 2013 11:05 PM, "Ravi George" <ravi@paradigm.in> wrote:
I have had my own little successes with filing RTIs. And I have exposed a central government officer trying to collect a bribe. I have stood witness in a CBI court testifying against this corrupt officer. And, I have suffered the consequences!.

When I came across these consequences, the social activists who encouraged me to expose the crime, ditched me.

Now I have aged and have lost the fire in me. The messages I see on this email list looks to be rekindling that fire.... But will I again be left alone?.


Sent from my iPad

On 15-Feb-2013, at 5:25 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Ravi

Your short post has many nuggets in it.

1)  All salaried employees have PF deducted compulsorily which is invested arbitrarily somewhere. The public has no control where it goes or how it is invested. Simply think of it as one big Ponzi scheme which is backed by a Govt which can print as much money as it needs to paper its losses. This is known as "sovereign guarantee" and is a powerful tool for Govt to maintain the status quo and which is why the "salaried middle class" cannot be relied on to support radical  change.

2)  You want to do something which has no comebacks to you, or you want somebody else to do it for you. This is yet another typical urban approach - pass the "buck" onto somebody else, give your garlands and offerings to false gods and false prophets and go home deluded that you have done your bit for the "cause".

3) Are you prepared to file an RTI ? This is the most basic of steps any corruption fighter must be prepared to do. People who have riches to lose - say a business built up over the years,  are too scared - images of murdered RTI activists swim before their eyes - and they find 10 excuses not to do so. For poor people or desperate people with everything to lose, even filing an RTI is not a powerful enough tool for them and they want better AK-47s.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Ravi George <ravi@paradigm.in> wrote:
Dear Col. Joshi,

Glad to know someone else also has the same thoughts as me on the subject. You are right, PC has his eyes on the funds where people have parked their savings. Sooner or later Providend  Fund will start investing in companies which are put up for disinvestment. I hear that already PF dept's pension schemed is in shambles.

What can we do other than being silent onlookers?. If we do something, the beurocratic machinery  will see that we are destroyed, I am speaking from personal experience.

Ravi George 


On Friday, February 15, 2013, arun joshi wrote:
Dear Ravi,
You may recollect the person who was partially or wholly for the UTI fiasco. Did Dhirubhai/Mukesh/Anil benefit?
The same fundamentals are being enforced today. Personally I always expected this when PC took over as FM. 



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Re: [IAC#RG] URGENT: Intimation to take action against Shri Basant Seth's order

To:
Shri Satyananada Misra ji
Hon'ble Chief Information Commissioner of India,
Central Information Commission at New Delhi,
August Kranti Bhawan,
New Delhi

BY EMAIL

15-Feb-2013

Respected Sir

The RTI activists and all forces opposed to corruption in India are still waiting to be informed if any action has been taken by your good self on our various emails to you concerning the non-feasance by Shri Basant Seth in his order dated 15.0.2013 in case no.
CIC/SM/A/2012/900133/BS/1683 dated 15.Jan.2013 titled as "Shri Ishan Chunder versus CPIO/EPFO"

We had requested that this matter be taken up at the bi-weekly meeting of 22-Jan-2013. We sincerely hope that the same has been done and the minutes of meeting would be published on the CIC's website to confirm the same.

As it stands, the utterly corrupt order of Shri Basant Seth still stands on the website, and it seems that this Hon'ble Commission is unwilling to take steps to clarify the legal basis on which it could ever have been passed - and which give strong hint of corruption.

In this connection I may mention that it is very well known that Mr. Basant Seth had been rejected on the short list of the 214 candidates for post of Central Information Commissioner, which list included many eminent persons from civil society. Mr. Basant Seth was only made a Commissioner at the insistence of BJP's Leader of Opposition Ms.Sushma Swaraj purportedly as a quid pro quo for the financial assistance services Mr. Seth had rendered Ms. Swaraj's sponsors the infamous "Bellary brothers" of Karnataka. It seems Mr Seth's old habits are still in place and like another of BJP nominee (former IC Mr. Shailesh Gandhi) corruption rides rampant in your Commission once again.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Civil-society-loses-CIC-seat-to-Sushma-Swaraj-s-candidate/Article1-856291.aspx

The anti-corruption forces and RTI activists of India eagerly await some explanation from you of the action being taken on our public grievances to you on this issue which we hope shall not be swept under the carpet.

Yours faithfully

Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor
India Against Corruption.

On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
To:
Shri Satyananada Misra ji
Hon'ble Chief Information Commissioner of India,
Central Information Commission at New Delhi,
August Kranti Bhawan,
New Delhi

BY Email

02-Feb-2013


Respected Sir

The RTI activists and all forces opposed to corruption in India are still greatly agitated that no action has been taken by your good self on our separate emails to you concerning the non-feasance by Shri Basant Seth in his order dated 15.0.2013 in case no.
CIC/SM/A/2012/900133/BS/1683 dated 15.Jan.2013 titled as "Shri Ishan Chunder versus CPIO/EPFO"

We are all collectively concerned and resolved that we have given sufficient time to the Hon'ble Commission to sort out any  inadvertent oversight by Mr. Basant Seth concerning this atrocious order.  However, the same has not been done and the decision still stands on the website of this Hon'ble Commission as an open invitation to be used/cited by every corrupt Department in India which shall simply instruct its First Appellate Authorities  (orally)  not to pass decisions in difficult matters without fear of penalty on them or the CPIO.

Sir, we are giving you clear notice of our intention that should the Central Information Commission not withdraw this now seemingly corrupt order, we shall all combine to make an example of Mr. Basant Seth so that no RTI First Appellate Authority in India dares to follow in his footsteps by such blatant non-feasance and dereliction of statutory duty.

I may mention in passing that Mr. Basant Seth has had a long innings in the public sector financial institutions  immediately prior to joining the Commission where the bulk of the EPFO's funds are invested.


With warm regards

yours faithfully

Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor
India Against Corruption, jan andolan
B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi - 110024
Tel : 011-24334262


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
To:
Shri Satyananada Misra ji
Hon'ble Chief Information Commissioner of India
Central Information Commission at New Delhi
August Kranti Bhawan

21-Jan-2013

Respected Sir

URGENT / BY EMAIL

Sub: Order of Mr. Basant Seth in CIC/SM/A/2012/900133/BS/1683 dated 15.Jan.2013 titled as "Shri Ishan Chunder versus CPIO/EPFO"

I am constrained to inform you that the RTI activists all over the country are greatly agitated by the order/decision of Ld. Information Commissioner Mr.Basant Seth in the above cited matter, which is viewed as a blatant attempt to dilute the statutory powers of the Commission with a view to have the CIC closed down or out-sourced to the retired Judiciary.

The activists who were present at the recent CIC Convention clearly recall your opening speech, alluding to the Namit Sharma judgment, where you had mentioned that the Information Commissioners had always possessed the judicial mind, and we therefore view such orders/decisions as occasional aberrations, unless they are allowed to stand.

Accordingly, I would request you to kindly list/discuss this order (and its attendant issues) tomorrow afternoon at the weekly Tuesday meeting, or to refer this matter to a larger Bench and allow all interested persons to intervene.

We are also given to understand that Ld. Information Commissioner Ms. Sushma Singh is also passing similar orders, and there are apparently oral instructions issued to clear the CIC's humungous backlog pending till April 2012 by such despicable anti-citizen methods so as to befool the Parliament when the CIC's Annual Report is drawn up.

I may also mention that the new CIC Rules cannot be applied retrospectively.

With best wishes for the New Year 2013

yours faithfully

Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor - India Against Corruption
B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi - 110024
Tel : 011-24334262




Re: [IAC#RG] Disinvestment

I have had my own little successes with filing RTIs. And I have exposed a central government officer trying to collect a bribe. I have stood witness in a CBI court testifying against this corrupt officer. And, I have suffered the consequences!.

When I came across these consequences, the social activists who encouraged me to expose the crime, ditched me.

Now I have aged and have lost the fire in me. The messages I see on this email list looks to be rekindling that fire.... But will I again be left alone?.


Sent from my iPad

On 15-Feb-2013, at 5:25 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Ravi

Your short post has many nuggets in it.

1)  All salaried employees have PF deducted compulsorily which is invested arbitrarily somewhere. The public has no control where it goes or how it is invested. Simply think of it as one big Ponzi scheme which is backed by a Govt which can print as much money as it needs to paper its losses. This is known as "sovereign guarantee" and is a powerful tool for Govt to maintain the status quo and which is why the "salaried middle class" cannot be relied on to support radical  change.

2)  You want to do something which has no comebacks to you, or you want somebody else to do it for you. This is yet another typical urban approach - pass the "buck" onto somebody else, give your garlands and offerings to false gods and false prophets and go home deluded that you have done your bit for the "cause".

3) Are you prepared to file an RTI ? This is the most basic of steps any corruption fighter must be prepared to do. People who have riches to lose - say a business built up over the years,  are too scared - images of murdered RTI activists swim before their eyes - and they find 10 excuses not to do so. For poor people or desperate people with everything to lose, even filing an RTI is not a powerful enough tool for them and they want better AK-47s.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Ravi George <ravi@paradigm.in> wrote:
Dear Col. Joshi,

Glad to know someone else also has the same thoughts as me on the subject. You are right, PC has his eyes on the funds where people have parked their savings. Sooner or later Providend  Fund will start investing in companies which are put up for disinvestment. I hear that already PF dept's pension schemed is in shambles.

What can we do other than being silent onlookers?. If we do something, the beurocratic machinery  will see that we are destroyed, I am speaking from personal experience.

Ravi George 


On Friday, February 15, 2013, arun joshi wrote:
Dear Ravi,
You may recollect the person who was partially or wholly for the UTI fiasco. Did Dhirubhai/Mukesh/Anil benefit?
The same fundamentals are being enforced today. Personally I always expected this when PC took over as FM. 


[IAC#RG] Fwd: [indianveterans] DNA Speak Chopper Deal

Dear All,
Greetings.
Most facts and reasoning is in public domain( The Hindu and Hindustan Times).
We can make out how Babus make ,"Fall guys " of The Armed Forces.

1)AFSPA. :
JVC has erred royally, possibly,at the behest of the shadowy vested interests.....
The act is by Parliament in 1958 to enable the Security forces to enforce the constitutional authority of The State under subversion by hostile elements.Hostile elements,NOW, are entrenched ,"Narco Terrorists" in the ,"GoldenTriangle", the very name that strikes terror in the hearts of the civilized. The JVC's ill advised comment is music to the ears of above detractors on either side of our borders.
The facetious argument  that The Army has not solved the insurgency inspite of AFSPA is by the anti national elements (Paid by the vested interests)who are out to defame/demoralize and finally drive out The Army from affected areas. 
                    TheArmy can solve only problems of ,"Military Nature".Indian Army  aims to keep the insurgency suppressed down to a level where Civil Administration can carry out  it's functions.
                     The Army believes ,"the counter insurgency is not a battle of bombs and bullets, BUT, of hearts and minds.The Army is deployed as a ,"National compulsion" and NOT  of Army's volition.
  The Indian Army ,IAF ,IN, BSF/ITBP/Assam Rifles,Coast Guard are the only means for the civilized of the world to keep narco terrorism at bay in J& K in particular and smuggling routes of The Golden Triangle in general.
It is a patriotic duty / Dharma/Faithfulness to unmask the vested interests and their supporters by all Indians.

 2)Chopper Scandal: Deals are given shape  and struck by Babus  for  vested interests(?)and Fall guys are factored in advance.
Chronology briefly;
    a)     Nov 2003:- Mr Brijesh Mishra (Powerful Principal Secy to PM Shri ABVajpayee) states tender requirements( 15000 feet altitude flying  ceiling )    have lead to" Single Vendor System" which leads to reduction in Flying ceiling mostly suited for VIP routine visits &  a second bid.
    b).    Sep 2006:- In the Second bid Sikorosky(S-92), Rosboron Export(MI-172) loose  out to Augusta Westland(AW-101).
    c)     Jan& Feb
            Apr2008. :-  After field trials IAF recommends in Apr 2008 AW-101 Technical suitability vide Babus amended specification. 
                              
    d).   Aug 2010 :- Contract concluded by MOD agency (Babu Dom)
    e)12 Feb 2013 :- CEO of Finmeccanica ( AW-101) is arrested by Italian authorities & CBI probe is announced.
Current Status is,03 nos AW-101  Choppers paid (Rs1300 crores)  & inducted into IAF VIPFleet(used by PM,President etc). All further payments Frozen.
A powerful Babu initiates in Nov2003 change of Chopper(!!!)  and when the S*** hits the fan ,then Air Chief  is made the fall guy, by a sudden burst  of awareness of sanctimonious   & duty conscious(!!!) Babudom.
The present RM Shri AKAnthony( Painfully Upright and  a deemed Messiah of The Armed Forces) is called upon  to nail the Air Chief .A classic ,"two birds with one shot ie; RM & Armed Forces, by Babus scared of RM ".
In the meantime the borders in general and J&k in particular is kept on the boil to aid the  Narco terrorism and vested interests on either side of boundary have a ball .Scary scenario indeed  ,and cunningly played out by Army in Pakistan and Bad Babus in India (Institutions ie;Pak Army & Indian Babus ,supposed to be for the service of people ,instead, blatantly regulating the life of an Aam Aadmi  from cradle to grave/ final resting place).
Regards.
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Dear All

From DNA Pune edition today 145 Feb 2013

No comments to me pls except on what i have said.

Brgds

Pathak

Armed forces do not sign deals and should not be blamed

The investigation into the chopper scandal is still going on and commenting on it would be premature. It is the Ministry of Defence, which signs any defence deal and not the armed forces. If the allegation in the chopper scandal is that the conditions were changed to suit a particular company, then the ministry should have opposed it at that time. Why did they fail to do so, is now a moot point. The armed forces cannot be blamed in such cases. An impartial probe should be conducted into the matter. It is an open question whether the Central Bureau of Investigation is capable of conducting such an investigation. There is corruption in the armed forces to some extent. However, it is far less than any other section of society. The people, who join the forces, are drawn from the same society as all of us and the ills of society at large will also come into the armed forces too. The armed forces are regarded as spotless and hence any incident of corruption, even if minor, is blown out of proportion. 
Cdr Ravindra Pathak, IN (Retd), Member Governing Body and Pension Cell IESM


The last bastion of integrity seems to be falling 
The armed forces' three wings have taken a dent on their image in recent years, the most recent being the air force. There is a saying in Marathi which goes, pakadla gela toh chor nahi tar raja hun thor (one who gets caught becomes a thief, else he is seen greater than a king). It is shameful that the high-ranked officers, who have led their men from the front on field and off it with their suave qualities, have fallen to greed and desire, jeopardising the lives of many. They have fallen in the eyes of their own men. They have broken the vows of duty and brought a blot on the impeccable honesty bestowed upon them during training. This act brings shame to someone like me, who comes from a family of defence officers. With corruption entering ev ery field, the judiciary and the armed forces were the only two institutions, which the people trust. But with chopper scam coming to the fore, the last bastion of integrity seems to be falling. This is a dangerous situation to be in especially for India, which is surrounded by hostile neighbors. A court of inquiry should be immediately initiated and the most stringent punishment meted out to the officers involved. 
Girish Deshpande, President, 
Professionals Party of India

Arms projects involve huge money; so corruption recurs
The armed forces are given too long a rope. The armed forces too should be subject to investigation like all government departments. The media does not go deeply into the transgressions of the armed forces in the north east and Kashmir. There is huge amount of money allotted to the defence forces and we have little idea how it is spent. We have a lot of respect for the armed forces, but when scandals, such as the chopper scandal involving an Italian company, break out into the public domain, then one loses faith to some extent. Many negative stories about the army never come into the public domain. Corruption keeps recurring in weapons procurement projects because of the huge amount of money involved. This makes it a lucrative arena for kickbacks. It is shameful that the plan to modernise the army equipment is delayed and that even today, so many years after independence, we still have to import arms. 
Aamir Tameem, mass communication student

Politicians too should take some of the blame
We are reluctant or unwilling to criticise the armed forces because we depend on them for protection so that we can continue with our daily lives. Just like we can never accept that our parents would be corrupt, we cannot accept the army's criticism, as we are dependent on them. The defence deals are made by politicians and the Ministry of Defence and not by the armed forces. Politicians have to take some share o f the blame, if there is corruption in the armed forces. There may be some corruption in arms deals, but such corruption will never be there in safeguarding the nation's borders. We must also be careful and sensitive when it comes to criticising the army. The media is prone to blowing incidents out of proportion. If society has some corrupt elements, then the army too will have them. It is the army's duty to ensure that corrupt elements are reformed after they join the army.
Gagan Prakash, media studies professor 

Corruption is at highest levels, not at lower ranks
There is corruption in the armed forces at the highest levels and not at the lower ranks. The jawans and low-rank personnel are not involved in any wrongdoing. The chopper scandal has left me shell- shocked. In the last five or six years, 100 members of the armed forces have been involved in scams of various kinds. The armed forces at one time had high-rank army officers known for their honesty like Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw but today, the 
scenario is different. The real problem is that there is a big gap between the jawans and the senior officials. The jawans, at the frontline, are willing to lay down their lives for the country but the top brass is living in the lap of luxury. We cannot blame the media for focusing on incidents of corruption as it is the media's job. There is no leadership in any area, be it politicians or bureaucracy or any other.
 
Lt Col (retd) Suresh Patil, 
Founder President, Justice for Jawans


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Re: [IAC#RG] INFO-NOTE: Dr. Sandeep Gupta appointed as a Gen. Secy of India Against Corruption

Thanks, I am following the growth of the IAC which is encouraging as it makes its gradual progress. It is a fine movement and I feel sad not being able to take a more active part.
Regards, Hirak Nag.



From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] INFO-NOTE: Dr. Sandeep Gupta appointed as a Gen. Secy of India Against Corruption

I am equally proud that Dr. Sandeep Gupta was one of the first persons in a small batch I accepted for RTI training/mentoring many years ago in our RTI group, and he was the only one of that batch to complete the short program and assignments I gave him as tests.

As Vidyut has posted we don't need many people making a big noise in public. What we need now are expert '"ninjas" who travel light and travel far to take the battle into the opposition's camp and disrupt their functioning.

Another such person is Rajinder Singh the famous environmentalist and urban planning issues crusader who is the terror for DDA and is also an IAC Local Convenor for Urban Planning issues. In one such case, and despite a not very straight judge who eventually condoned massive environmental and planning violations of the illegal Akshardham Temple on the Yamuna river-bed, our IAC hero delayed that project by 2 years and caused massive cost over-runs to the corrupt Akshardhamis who had to bribe 7 judges instead of only 2.

Samples of some ongoing anti-corruption works of our IAC heroes can be read at the forum (still in beta) by registered members.

http://indiaresists.org/forum/

Last month Rajinder Singh and I opposed the land mafia of Delhi, who had even brought in Mumbai's high profile architect Hafeez Contractor to pitch their case for them, for grabbing many hundreds of hectares of prime industrial land in Central Delhi for high end residential projects. Mr. Contractor did not stay to hear my counters and slunk away after making his presentation.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:17 PM, krishna kumar pande <pandekk@gmail.com> wrote:
congratulations
KKPande

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:26 AM, IAC INFO <info.indiaagainstcorruption@gmail.com> wrote:
INFO-NOTE:

India Against Corruption is pleased to announce that Dr. Sandeep Gupta of Hisar (Haryana) is designated as a Gen. Secy of India Against Corruption for his long-term work in pursuing corruption using Right to Information Act. Dr. Gupta is a long time member of Humjanenge RTI movement and is a member of IAC's "Save India Group" which drafted IAC's submissions to the Justice J.S.Verma Committee on amending India's Criminal laws.


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[IAC#RG] Who are these VIPS & VVIPS?

In Scandinavian countries, Ministers drive their own vehicles and do not have any entourage. Except the PM or President, there are no security guards accompanying them.
To begging with, they may be provided 1 or 2 guards per VIP/VVIP. Ban VVIPS from officially travelling on roads, they can travel incognito.
PM/President may travel by helicopter. Various categories of security should be abolished.
When they take oath of the office, this should be made part of the oath.
 
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fatherly advice for IAC's National Convenor

Dear Sharma,

Please also give a list of the "gas-bag intellectual pigmies" as an addendum to your fatherly advice so that Sarbjit may unsubscribe them from the list.

I hope I will also be unsubscribed in the process.

Regards
Ravi

On 15-Feb-2013, at 6:08 PM, "S.D. Sharma" <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Sarabjit
>
> You have done a superb job, much against your natural inclination, of holding the IAC movement together despite those who wished it destroyed and ridiculed.
>
> To ensure that the momentum is not lost now please concentrate on the following
>
> 1. Use your mailing lists only for essential communications. Not everyone wants to recive 20 emails each day written mainly by gas-bag intellectual pygmies. 2 or 3 per day is just right.
>
> 2. Use your mailing lists to record, recognise and reward actions by persons who are actually doing something selflessly and not resting on their haunches. Like Dr.Sandeep Gupta You must have a 100 more like him.
>
> 3. .Focus your firepower on the enemy's command centres which are exposed. The National Advisory Council is one such place. The Ministry of Finance (Dept. of Expenditure) is another. DOPT is a third. Perhaps the MoHA also if you have resources to spare.
>
> 4. Simply taking out the NAC would be half the war won, and would fetch the IAC huge support in the bureaucracy..
>
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[IAC#RG] Fatherly advice for IAC's National Convenor

Dear Sarabjit

You have done a superb job, much against your natural inclination, of holding the IAC movement together despite those who wished it destroyed and ridiculed.

To ensure that the momentum is not lost now please concentrate on the following

1. Use your mailing lists only for essential communications. Not everyone wants to recive 20 emails each day written mainly by gas-bag intellectual pygmies. 2 or 3 per day is just right.

2. Use your mailing lists to record, recognise and reward actions by persons who are actually doing something selflessly and not resting on their haunches. Like Dr.Sandeep Gupta You must have a 100 more like him.

3. .Focus your firepower on the enemy's command centres which are exposed. The National Advisory Council is one such place. The Ministry of Finance (Dept. of Expenditure) is another. DOPT is a third. Perhaps the MoHA also if you have resources to spare.

4. Simply taking out the NAC would be half the war won, and would fetch the IAC huge support in the bureaucracy..

S D Sharma

RE: [IAC#RG] EDUCATED PEOPLE IN MASSIVE NUMBER SHOULD RESPOND TO ANTI CORRUPTION CAMPAIGN

15/2/13
 
No,sir, I have not endorsed  Gandhi,s Satyagraha. What I have said is peaceful agitation by Gandhiji or Vinoba Bhave or JP have not led to the desired changes in the political or social field.
I have not read Gandhi,s commentary on Gita nor I  would attach much signifance to it.I have read Gita and still do and in the last chapter it is clearly mentioned one should have total faith in its teachings. You cant put your own interpretations as to the era, its author and attribute motives as to why  it was composed.
I donot belive in biblical teachings of turning the face. Vivekanand teachings are too noble for me to follow.
I belive in Kautalya,s dictum of paying back in the same coin when somebody wishes you harm.
 
Regds gaur
From: ravi@paradigm.in
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:31:50 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] EDUCATED PEOPLE IN MASSIVE NUMBER SHOULD RESPOND TO ANTI CORRUPTION CAMPAIGN

Mr. Gaur,

You have endorsed what Ghandiji himself said. In his commentary on Baghavad Gita Ch. 3 Vs 33 he said, "We can offer Satyagraha only against a person who has some love in his heart. We can control another only if there is mutual love between us. Where there is no such love, the only course for us is noncooperation with the other party".

How can we follow the course of "noncooperation", here?.

Ravi George

On 14-Feb-2013, at 12:24 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:

14/2/13
 
Dear sir,
 
Passive resistance like Gandhi,s non-coop. movement succeded because brishers respected the rule of law.
today,s rulers have no such respect.
After Gandhiji, there have been peaceful movements of Vinoba Bhave, Jaiprapash Narain and recently by Anna Hazare. Where have these led us-improvement or deterioration?
You are talking about corruption we face in our day today life. It is not political corruption but corruption at lower level of bearocracy. The biggest corruption is political and higher level of bearocracy involving billions of Rs.as we see from scams tumbling out one after the other without any repite during the last 5 years.
Gaur
 

Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:09:08 +0530
From: thakursinghk@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] EDUCATED PEOPLE IN MASSIVE NUMBER SHOULD RESPOND TO ANTI CORRUPTION CAMPAIGN

I endorse your views strongly.

Col Thakur singh

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
                                             EDUCATED PEOPLE  IN  MASSIVE  NUMBER  SHOULD  RESPOND
                                                                             TO ANTI CORRUPTION CAMPAIGN
India today faces  challenging problems on multiple fronts.  However,  the basics of the country are still strong , as evident from the national disgust  against the forces of corruption.
The problem is  that  the country's administration is  largely under the control of the corrupt people who can be described as commission agents.  
 Strong   and vocal public opinion  and passive resistance  (such as Gandhiji's non cooperation movement)  can  alone challenge  the corrupt elements, who now constitute the largest segment of the politicians in all political parties.
The patriotic men and women  should make the anti corruption sentiments as the central  theme  in any activity  and in any discussion  in  any forum  and constantly  send communication  opposing the corrupt  persons in government and in political parties at every  opportunity. They  should  not  become part of the corrupt system  under any circumstances  and refuse to pay bribe  and in the process whatever the sacrifices that are needed should be made willingly.
The biggest corruption is taking place amongst the people  in the middle and upper income group who are supposed to be educated  and well  informed.  The poor people who are forced to pay bribes  are helpless and they are too weak to resist.  But, this is not so in the case of those  belonging to middle and upper income group.  Certainly, they can afford to resist in their own way and when they do not do so , they should be held responsible for  the climate of corruption that is now sweeping the nation.
The people in the middle and upper income group  should come forward and resist at their own level , which need not mean demonstration or violence. Simple refusal to  heed to the demand for bribe by large number of concerned  and educated people will work wonders  in defeating the  corrupt forces.
While other forms of anti corruption movement such as moving the judiciary , using  RTI  etc. should continue , the individual resistance will enhance the quality of the movement to the highest  standards  and  infuse  vigour and  purpose.
Let all of us  decide that  the message of anti corruption should spread everywhere by passive resistance at individual level  and let it culminate in 2014 elections for good. Such strong campaign will  encourage  honest people to contest in the elections  and give an opportunity  to bring the anti corruption issue as the focus of 2014 election.
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RE: [IAC#RG] INFO-NOTE: Dr. Sandeep Gupta appointed as a Gen. Secy of India Against Corruption

These are excellent thoughts Mr Vaghela !

But I as a soldier who believes in vision not translated into action (sans Gita)  as a vision  into blank . Your vision is more like sermon or lecture to a class ! Unless you are not aware of realities on ground ! Do you know 90% of those you are addressing haven’t  an idea of the laws you are talking about .They have no  language, no knowledge base , no resources , no system, no  governance  to fall on but are engaged in day to day livelihood in simmering capitalism. By My reckoning it would require a revolution to achieve what you are hoping to .Can the political system you are enjoying deliver any such utopian  brief ?

These are ideas from a glass house . SLOGANS RISE AND RESIST  are  BEST DELIVERED LEADING FROM THE FRONT ON GROUND . I AM AFRAID  ACCESS TO INFORMATION HAS NO WHERE LED TO A CHANGE ONLY AWARENESS . BUT WHAT USE AWARENESS WHEN  IT CAN NOT TRIGGER A CHANGE ?WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ANN MOVEMENT MUST BE ANALYSED AND TESTED AGANST  TRUTH

Well all die filing RTIs .

Thank you

chauhan    

 

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What we need is better equipping & better empowering the Common Man - 121 Crore - through strengthened RTI or through citizen friendly Laws & through badly needed administrative reforms.


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From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] INFO-NOTE: Dr. Sandeep Gupta appointed as a Gen. Secy of India Against Corruption
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 9:31 PM

I am equally proud that Dr. Sandeep Gupta was one of the first persons in a small batch I accepted for RTI training/mentoring many years ago in our RTI group, and he was the only one of that batch to complete the short program and assignments I gave him as tests.

As Vidyut has posted we don't need many people making a big noise in public. What we need now are expert '"ninjas" who travel light and travel far to take the battle into the opposition's camp and disrupt their functioning.

Another such person is Rajinder Singh the famous environmentalist and urban planning issues crusader who is the terror for DDA and is also an IAC Local Convenor for Urban Planning issues. In one such case, and despite a not very straight judge who eventually condoned massive environmental and planning violations of the illegal Akshardham Temple on the Yamuna river-bed, our IAC hero delayed that project by 2 years and caused massive cost over-runs to the corrupt Akshardhamis who had to bribe 7 judges instead of only 2.

Samples of some ongoing anti-corruption works of our IAC heroes can be read at the forum (still in beta) by registered members.

http://indiaresists.org/forum/

Last month Rajinder Singh and I opposed the land mafia of Delhi, who had even brought in Mumbai's high profile architect Hafeez Contractor to pitch their case for them, for grabbing many hundreds of hectares of prime industrial land in Central Delhi for high end residential projects. Mr. Contractor did not stay to hear my counters and slunk away after making his presentation.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:17 PM, krishna kumar pande <pandekk@gmail.com> wrote:

congratulations
KKPande

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:26 AM, IAC INFO <info.indiaagainstcorruption@gmail.com> wrote:

INFO-NOTE:

India Against Corruption is pleased to announce that Dr. Sandeep Gupta of Hisar (Haryana) is designated as a Gen. Secy of India Against Corruption for his long-term work in pursuing corruption using Right to Information Act. Dr. Gupta is a long time member of Humjanenge RTI movement and is a member of IAC's "Save India Group" which drafted IAC's submissions to the Justice J.S.Verma Committee on amending India's Criminal laws.

 


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Re: [IAC#RG] Disinvestment

Dear Ravi

Your short post has many nuggets in it.

1)  All salaried employees have PF deducted compulsorily which is invested arbitrarily somewhere. The public has no control where it goes or how it is invested. Simply think of it as one big Ponzi scheme which is backed by a Govt which can print as much money as it needs to paper its losses. This is known as "sovereign guarantee" and is a powerful tool for Govt to maintain the status quo and which is why the "salaried middle class" cannot be relied on to support radical  change.

2)  You want to do something which has no comebacks to you, or you want somebody else to do it for you. This is yet another typical urban approach - pass the "buck" onto somebody else, give your garlands and offerings to false gods and false prophets and go home deluded that you have done your bit for the "cause".

3) Are you prepared to file an RTI ? This is the most basic of steps any corruption fighter must be prepared to do. People who have riches to lose - say a business built up over the years,  are too scared - images of murdered RTI activists swim before their eyes - and they find 10 excuses not to do so. For poor people or desperate people with everything to lose, even filing an RTI is not a powerful enough tool for them and they want better AK-47s.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Ravi George <ravi@paradigm.in> wrote:
Dear Col. Joshi,

Glad to know someone else also has the same thoughts as me on the subject. You are right, PC has his eyes on the funds where people have parked their savings. Sooner or later Providend  Fund will start investing in companies which are put up for disinvestment. I hear that already PF dept's pension schemed is in shambles.

What can we do other than being silent onlookers?. If we do something, the beurocratic machinery  will see that we are destroyed, I am speaking from personal experience.

Ravi George 


On Friday, February 15, 2013, arun joshi wrote:
Dear Ravi,
You may recollect the person who was partially or wholly for the UTI fiasco. Did Dhirubhai/Mukesh/Anil benefit?
The same fundamentals are being enforced today. Personally I always expected this when PC took over as FM.