Re: [IAC#RG] Stop Meat Export, Ban Cow Slaughter & Make India Healthy

The Cow   An eternal friend of man and closest to him   in the animal family of herbivorous species its milk near equal nourisher as human milk. It was a companion like the dog of every tribe and human family since ages wherever found. It was also provider of meat was slain for this purpose too. Its copious mention in Rig Veda is a testimony to its status in ancient  Aryan society when they too consumed beef.  That the cow was also part of tribal food and a sacrificial animal is quite established. It was only in later period around 2500 BC and later  that cows became protected for milk and household facilities as Aryan tribes moved East ! That is when they must have found enough alternatives to tap on to replace meat! The Indo Gangetic plain was flush with vegetation and fruits etc with enough to graze on . Obviously must not have been so in their earlier habitation which must have been cold  without much greenery. Another deduction that Aryans came from outside, horse skeleton fossils also a testimony to this . Remains found  dating back to 2500 BC are spread across Taxila - NW Pakistan and earliest around 1200 BC and later in Indo Gangetic plains  in creeping advance with  Aryan settlements as they conquered eastwards .The  horse was their near sacred iconic companion a war mount . associated with Kshattriyas . Acquisition of territory marked by Ashwamedh Yagya. So Aryan clan heads clamped down on killing of cows by priests anointing this animal with Devine status to protect it in the wild environment. Aryans did the same with elephant  when they they hit thick forests  of India where horse was useless. Couldn't move. Found elephant as close a companion to local tribes as horse and cow to them. A versatile and powerful animal very mobile in jungles , the only help in  clearing  forests for settlements. The priest were ordered to anoint them too as Ganesh ! 300elephants were gifted by Chandragupta Marya to Greek governor Seleukas  .

Well cow is sacred true. That harassment of cows is due to commercialisation of milk and meat is not true. The cow may be sacred to us only and not in Christianity, Judaism,and Islam yet cows in white  Christian countries where beef is staple food and a commercial product , as also milk , cows are not harassed , kept better than humans here , nowhere seen on streets and stray ! Reason is Hindus are insensitive to what they believe in themselves. Disassociate with actions that signify their belief hence remain only ritualistic . This is a debility which makes Hindus weak. Well why was this not so earlier? Say in ancient India? Because there  was no such social  contraption as Hindu! The king was supreme and his state rigidly disciplined. You could sell milk but not harm the cow! Commerce was watched by kings councils. Cows were not stay but herded. Society was structured with roles for each segment. A king could not do business , cows were herded and protected by yadavs another strata etc.

Yes we should ban cow slaughter , just import beef . Ban stray cattle too. And stray children but all this requires will and discipline . Both not possible in a free wheeling society where becoming a billionaire , gold, greed and glitter are route to Gods . Idols to whom tributes are paid in temples and homes remain speechless even if a cow is slaughtered exit to them ! This is Hinduism!

Chauhan

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On 09-Aug-2014, at 11:19 am, Vinod Bansal <bansalvinod7@gmail.com> wrote:

I believe a forum like "indiaresists" should be the one where we can share our knowledge and ignorance alike, freely. Remarks made in ignorance should be tolerated, but the forum should not tolerate one who is adamant to be ignorant

vinod bansal 

On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Shantharam Shenai <garbageguru@gmail.com> wrote:

Friends,

Harassment of the INDIAN COW took place only due to the commercialisation of milk and meat.

The value & merit of the INDIAN cow does not get properly evaluated in the buisness of auction.

The intangible benefits of the INDIAN COW far exceed any G.D.P. determined model.

I am ashamed to declare that a relative of my elder sister ( brother in law ) owns AL KABEER.

He is an ex NAVY officer. !

When the true economic value of the INDIAN Cow is understood, NO one will slaughter cows, or export the meat.

MOO MOO,

Shantharam Shenai

 

On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:

8/8/14
Dear Sir,

I did not find any rejoinder from S. Roy on this link.

Mr. Jasim Mohammed, to start with, had suggested ban on cow slaughter in the interest of farmers and health of the children.

In the process he quoted figure of milk production and export of meat to earn foreign exchange.

But the discussion shfted to individual choice, religion and what happned during times of Vedas. Why go so far and see what has been provided in the Constitution which should govern the conduct of the Govt., the laws to be enacted and enforced.

Mr. Jasim Mohd. figure of mild production and consumption of about 140 m. tons appears correct, though I feel the consumption should be in reality more otherwise people will not resort to such large scale adulteration as reported from time to time. India is not exporting nor can it export milk in the face of stiff competition from Australia Newzealand and european countries.

India is exporting meat mainly as frozen to the gulf an  d middle eastern countries but the figures quoted by him need to be rechecked.As per economic survey ofthe Govt.2008-9 the export of meat in 2007 was onlyUSD.931 Million which was less than 1% of total world trade. Surely it could not jump so high? Suggest recheck figure from the Annual Economic Survey presented by the Govt. only last month.APEDA figures if correctly reported appear suspect.

Now I wish to quote Article 48 of the Constitution pertaining to Directive Principles of State, which are akin to fundamental rights except that they cannot be enforced in law Courts-

"The State shall endeavour... and Shall take steps fir preserving and improving the breeds and prohibiting the slaughter of cows and calves and other m ilch and draught cattle".

While the centre has failed to bring any legislation, some states have banned the slaughter of cows.

I therefore fully support what Mr. Jasim Mohd had proposed. There is need to increase the production of mild,as we are the only country consuming fresh milk throughout the day.India has the highest cattle population in the worl but poor in health.

If some people want justification on economic,religous or scientific basis,there is ample justification.

Regds

JKGaur

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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 21:08:00 +0530
From: ltcolttkishore@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] Stop Meat Export, Ban Cow Slaughter & Make India Healthy

Dear all in general and Sarvasri DiwanSingh and Bansal in particular.

Greetings.

What Er Sarbajit Roy has stated in his rejoinder ought to be understood and one should not argue for the sake of argument.

When ' Karma Kand' wrt to yajnas and kratuvus are referred it would be better to be more knowledgeable and learn from Vedic authorities one can approach.( Iam not an Authority).

 Pashu Medha viz offering of Sheep/ goat/ horse/ cow and culminating in NarMedha is not a common ritual but a unique / rare affair. Further it was mentioned that NarMedha has an alternative of offering a recently martyred Warriors head and need not always be a living human being. 

Coming to Emperor Ashoka' s change of heart and adaption of concept of equality of all living creatures , it is a phase in evolution of human thought. Incidentally it is said Lord Buddha fell ill and died owing to consumption of putrid pork ( hog meat)dropped in his Begging Bowl( May be carelessly) and The Enlightened One had decided Not to reject the same to uphold the owes of Monkhood and Sanghm..

Coming to the present times what was good or bad  norms in the ancient times would evolve in to an acceptable form for this society.

As declared by evolved sages of yore, " Let good and fresh thoughts enter our mind from all directions". 

VeteranTTK

On Tuesday, August 5, 2014, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Kishore,

I do not think the debate is much about Hinduism or it would be misplaced. In India, we have had a evolving culture. What happened in ancient times is not Bible's testament for us. We can adore, worship as well as abuse our devi devtas, with no qualms, no sacrilege. 

Its a flexible atmosphere in India and we can freely talk about whats right and wrong and not borrowing everything from past, or whats written in a religious text.

At many places in India meat eating is a norm , so people from those regions are bound to react.

I believe compassion, non-violence is a characteristics of brave people. To me meat eating is not an act of compassion. when confronted with a violent opponent, nothing wrong in getting violent. I have always done  so and would always be. But killing someone who is defenceless, speechless, weak, innocent, does not appeal to me. So, I do not eat meat. Everybody is free to have their opinion.  

On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:40 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:

Indian Hindus who are meat eaters , usually consume  chicken/ duck/fowl meat ,mutton, fish and a few also consume buffaloe meat

( as a matter of taste or economics). All Hindus abhor Cows' meat. ( bulls, Oxen are NOT Cows). So raising hackles on the meat eating  preferences of Indian Hindus is a non argument. There cannot be a vegetarian vs non vegeterian  debate with underlying 

Tones of sanctimonious attitude. A Hindu in pursuit of truth adapts a diet to match his ,' tatvas' ie characteristics viz., Satvik/ Rajo/ tamas way of life. No superiority is noted based on diet . Ancient Rishi/ Munis treated diet as a sustenance of the physical body which is used in pursuit of ,' TRUTH'. We have anecdote of Agastya eating and digesting , Vatapi morphed as sheep and used as mutton to feed the sage. Even amongst the Caste Brahmins, the , ' Sakteyas' like Bengali/ Kashmiri/ Moiwal Brahmins have a diet of Fish and Mutton, but chicken/ eggs/ pork is treated impure. Cow is deified as it is an important link in the food chain for Satvilk 

People and the main source for bulls and oxen very critical for agriculture.

Veteran TTK

On Monday, August 4, 2014, apvergheses <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Arguments on moral ground with myopic views to create differences in society on the strength of circumstances need to be condemned. What right any one has to disturb the social fabric of the country by pushing what an individual wants. This world will become a mad place if every body is allowed to fight for what he thinks is right. These people talk about killing with out understanding that life is there in every thing they eat and drink. Does he not know that human being had to eliminate animals when they become a threat or nuisance leave aside need to fill the stomach. Large majority of people lived for ages and still living in this world by eating nonveg. Some health problem mental or physical can create hatred for some food we eat.  Better not to impose such feelings on others to maintain harmony. 

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From: Diwan Singh
Date:04/08/2014 17:20 (GMT+05:30)
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Stop Meat Export, Ban Cow Slaughter & Make India Healthy

Poonamji,

Hindu is not a religion unlike Muslim or christianity. Its a culture, evolved over times.

Whether you consider me a Hindu or not, I do not care, but I am an Indian and have inherited some ethos from my parents and society that compassion is what defines humanity.

I am a pure vegetarian and would like ban on chicken and mutton too. Rather, in some manner I am trying at a level.

Please do not mislead by calling it a Hindu agenda. Sorry! Hindus, almost all over the country eat meat. At some places they eat beef as well.

I believe its a matter of your moral duty to other living beings. 

And, we should not brush off an issue by raising question on other issues. If you do not feel a moral duty to stop such slaughter, its your choice.

On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Poonam Agarwal <poonam.agarwal88@gmail.com> wrote:

The discussion is neither scientific , economic or moral.it is simply HINDUTVA driven COW centric discussion...do any one has courage to ban chicken and goats????'.......come on scientific and moral people....let us talk about banning chicken and goat..

On Aug 3, 2014 4:04 PM, "Diwan Singh" <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Gaushalas are the place where abandoned cattle should go.  Thats what the system rightfully devised by our ancestors. 
Also, Mr Batti, our sacrificial practices have evolved and we do not follow that now. Certainly, there are greater moral reasons not to kill the animals. Morality has a place in society, its above science, economics, and selfishness. If we do not bother about that, then there is hardly any scope for arguement.

On 3 Aug 2014 04:16, "Aikant Bhatti" <dr3917@gmail.com> wrote:

I would differ on the opinion, about meat export and cow slaughter. I guess every one must have seen cows, on roads at times being killed or maimed by the vehicular traffic. We can also find cattle eating rubbish at the garbage dumps, to simplify "no one" cares but every one wants the profit through milk or meat.
Cow has been referred to be holy animal and has religious sentiments attached to it.
If we look at times when settlers we settling along the indus river and civilization was expanding animals were being domesticated cows, goats, ox, sheeps and horses for the purpose of agriculture and as a  source of proteins.

Meat was used since vedic times for sacrifices and it included goats, sheeps, cows, bulls and horses.  Yagas with animal sacrifices were being performed and the slaughtered animal was regarded as holy food, which was distributed and cooked. The meat was integral part of the culture since the beginning of the civilisation.
However the concern is " Not" to eat beef or not to eat beef. The concern is to  why not rest the poor animal who in any case will be end being hit by a vehicle or eating rubbish.
I strongly feel that ancient religious practice's  need to be validated with scientific findings and sound reasoning.

On 1 Aug 2014 11:03, "Dharmendra Kumar Dewan" <dsmcho@gmail.com> wrote:

i am in agreement with the unbiased, scientific & nationalistic views expressed by the writer Mr Jasmin Mohammed....this is how we as indians should think & act ...

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Jasim Mohammad <jasimmd@gmail.com> wrote:

" Stop Meat Export , Ban Cow Slaughter & Make India Healthy"                  

* Jasim Mohammad                                                                                                                       Since ancient times , animals particularly cow and buffaloes have special place n our civilisation. Perhaps India is the only country where certain animals including cow are being worshipped and regarded as holy. Hindu religious texts are full of their glory. Just before independence Indian cultivation was heavily depended on cow dung fertilizers. Tilting of land was under taken by buffalo pushing. In short our whole socio - cultural set up was depended upon them.

       But with changing times and the industrial revolution and market economy changes in the pattern of cultivation and our attitude towards the animals drastically changed. In the begining it was presumed that the change priorities will help the nation to be more strong economically but with he passage of time it is being analysed that un-checked export of meat and meat based products apart of abandoning cow dung fertilizer have resulted in weakening us economically and  on health grounds. Chemical fertilizers are harming not only our health but also minimising the fertility of the land we cultivate.
                   

The biggest challenge to our socio - cultural mind set and requirement have came from meat export in our zeal to earn more and more foreign exchange. No doubt the country needs and badly needs the foreign exchange but at the same time we must be careful for our own needs. The disbalances which we have created are resulting in the downfall of not our health but future of our next generation.
              

India, a country where eating meat particularly beef is a sensitive religious issue , has become the biggest meat exporter in the world beating the Brazil. Data of ministry of Food Processing shows that India exported 1.89 million tonnes of beef ( larger part in buffalo meat ) in 2012 - 2013 which was 50% increase over last five years.
          

As far as earnings from meat export are concerned , it touched to 21,000 crore in 2012 - 2013. India has major markets in USA,Europe, Gulf and South Asian countries.
             

Even the US Department of Agriculture ( USdA ) has acknowledged that the Indian government has played a vital role in enhancing meat and meat products exports. Uttar Pradesh is the biggest producer of export oriented meat while Kerala is the biggest consumer domestically. Cow slaughter is banned all over the country except Kerala, West Bengal and the North Eastern states.

In general meat and particularly beef has become an important foreign exchange earner in India among the agriculture based commodity after Basmati rice with 31% increase in quantity and 52 % rise in value terms during 2013 - 2014.According to figures of Agriculture & Processed Food Products Export Development Authority ( APEDA ) the beef export totaled 1449759 tonnes worth of Rs. 26458 crore lat year. The figure are really surprising for a country where meat particularly beef eating is supposed to be a taboo and has religious implications.
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The zeal on the part of individual meat business men and the government to earn the foreign exchange has resulted in depriving domestic consumers for healthy meat and milk for the next generation on whom our whole survival depends. Apart of that the cow dung fertilizer has become a rare thing and our cultivation and agricultural activites especially vegitable cultivation are highly suffering. The farmers are using chemical fertilizers which is resulting in either over fertilising or less due to illiteracy and on being ignorant scientifically. Milk is the essential commodity for healthy development of our children. But it is in short supply and out of reach of large section of Indian citizenary and the result is that we have an under nourished childhood and are consiquently producing weak and unhealthy citizen. That is not good for the nation as a whole.
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As far as milk is concerned , it is livestock enterprise in which small farmers can successfully engage in order to improve their livlihood. Regular milk supplies allow them to move from subsistence to a market based income.
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Milk production is estimated to have declined marginally to 134.5 million tonnes in the last year though expected to be 140.6 million tonnes in the current year. Total Indian milk consumption is set to match with its production this year while domestic consumption is pegged at 425000 tonnes.
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Cow dung or manure as fertilizer is very good for cultivation. when composed it has nutrient rich elements. It is also used as fuel which is environment friendly. The government should encourage masses to use cow dung as fuel as far as they can because it will save the gas for future and is economicall viable.
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In general meat eating and particularly beef eating is not part of our culture and is treated as taboo. It hurts religious feelings of largest religious group in India. In some cases this beef and meat has become tool of communal disharmony and flare up. Every nation needs peace and social harmony for its development and that is not possible till we balance our needs with the feelings of other social and religious groups.
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Hence meat export should be contained at minimum level. The better will be to completely ban the meat particularly beef export. By that our children will get better quality milk and the farmers will have rich dung fertilizer at no extra cost which will economically boost the farming in the country and will enhance agriculture income.
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Some people and lobbies take shelter under misguided plea that exports are essential for growth of country. That is right but if impartially calculated one will find that the loss from stopping meat export will be less than the increase in the export of milk and milk products. This is a crucial year in which our milk production will be just near to domestic demands.This is the year in which we have to take a positive decision in the interest of future of our children, communal harmony and national income growth and completely ban meat especially beef export.
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If the present central government has political will and courage , it should take the revolutionary decision and jump out of the net spread by some individuals and foreign countries in favour of meat export and ban it. the history will not only record the gains socially as well as economically of Modi government but will also realise dream of largest religious section of Indian masses.

* Jasim Mohammad is Director, Muslim Chamber of Commerce & Industry, Aligarh . He can be reached at jasimoffice@gmail.com

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