Saturday, September 5, 2015

RE: [IAC#RG] Fwd: CONCERNED INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

Today American influence is all-pervasive-financial,cultural,societal,politcal not only in India but throughout the world.
Swami Vivekananda is still admired by most-with exceptions of course. One can,t hold him responsible for the preachings and practices of present day monks.
I consider him as one of the 4/5 thinkers/reformers/religious teachers, the other being Maharashi Dayanad, Raman Maharshi Arbindo Ghose.
Today for eradicating corruption we need to create an atmosphere where bribe taker s are looked down upon socially and not venerated.
Taking a pledge not to give bribe is not going to work as no  one gives bribe if he can help it. It is under duress that it is being extracted.
IJKGaur 

Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:03:59 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: CONCERNED INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

I personally think that using Vivekananda as an example is a poor
choice for this topic.

As his own sect has stated, Vivekananda may have left India as an
Indian, but he returned from USA, after about 3 years, as a fully
indoctrinated agent of US Capitalism to promote a foreign scripted
version of "Hinduism" which is utterly fake, materialistic and corrupt
(in all senses).

A long line of US financed and trained agents have thereafter been
promoting this same line of garbage, carefully designed to resonate
with the lumpens by their fascist / misogynist overlords. The RSS and
AAP both being prime examples of this ideology of US sponsored
"Vivekananda-ism" which is nothing the lowest Hindu doctrine of
selfishness (Karmayoga) being practised by trader communities for
millenia, and which is the root cause of most financial corruption in
India.

Sarbajit

On 8/22/15, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
> *To*
> *India Against Corruption*
> * CONCERNED
> INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA *
>
> *It is unrealistic to think that some leadership will come from somewhere
> to restore good and corruption free governance in India. In the past , it
> has been seen that those who were hailed as leaders of anti corruption
> movement have used the leadership position as platform to gain power and
> then become corrupt themselves.*
>
> *The real central issue in the country today is there is little resistance
> to corruption and fleecing at ground level. *
>
> *Resistance to small corruption will certainly have a chain effect and
> will put fear in the minds of the corrupt people at various levels in the
> course of time. *
>
> *Swami Vivekananda said *"*Give me **100** energetic* *young* *men and I
> shall transform India". The message of Swami Vivekananda is loud and clear.
> Obviously, what he stressed was that small group of people with
> determination to fight for the cause of probity and truth and defy unjust
> conditions can alone transform India. *
>
> *One cannot but recall that much publicised anti corruption movement
> launched by Anna Hazare lost its appeal too quickly, since Anna Hazare was
> only insisting on Lokpal and improvement of governance without making any
> efforts to improve the mindset of average Indian.*
>
> *The country now urgently needs such role models in nooks and corners.
> Such persons need not shout or agitate but should silently defy unjust
> demands at individual level. *
>
> *The campaign for corrupt free and nepotism free governance and ensuring
> corrupt free politics can certainly be achieved by a silent revolution on
> the part of the concerned Indians, who are now all over India in lakhs.
> They need to act at their own level and when sizable number of concerned
> citizens act even without any coordination , the positive impact will be
> seen sooner than later.*
> *The society and the media may not immediately recognise them but their act
> of courage and conviction will slowly percolate and give confidence to
> others that such defiance towards the cause of truth is possible by
> individuals and would be worthwhile. Such crusaders need to have patience
> and faith in the ultimate triumph of good over evil.*
>
> *N.S.Venkataraman*
> *Nandini Voice for the Deprived*
> *nandinivoice.com <http://nandinivoice.com> *
>

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Friday, September 4, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] Sane Advice to Honorable FM on Armed Forces


''POLITICIANS ARE THE WORST VICTIMS OF POLITICS ! Politics,is a system which makes VILLIANS out of the VICTIMS. Politics is made out to be the only system to serve society in the democratic world. True to it's meaning this system, is the root cause of problems of the free world. WE DON'T WANT POLITICS AT HOME,AT OUR WORK PLACE,IN OUR CRICKET TEAM. THERE IS TOTAL ,'SARV-SAMMATTI', THAT WE DON'T WANT THIS POISON ANYWHERE IN OUR LIVES. In India we could do well with indigenisation of our political system. The Hindi word Rajniti,means --- Raj is governence & niti is principles. So rajniti is governence by principles. Ideal or Good governence. It is the common translation of the word politics. Politics---Poly in latin is many & tic(k)s are ticks. So politics or political system when translated literally in hindi,is, 'anak(many) jookhh(ticks) pranalee(system).' " Chicher bazi." Chichers are Ticks. IDEALGOVERNENCE & Chicher bazi or 'ANAK JOOKHH PRANALEE' are not word & its meaning but are opposites. Don't you think WE deserve RAJNITI meaning,IDEAL GOVERNENCE not POLITICS ! Jaisa naam,vaisa kaam ! AARTH ME ANAARTH!''

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On 03-Sep-2015, at 9:03 am, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com> wrote:

OROP shall be ,initially applied for armed forces pensioners and gradually to all employees of government and PSUs and PSBs .Revision of pension for employees of PSUs and PSBs shall be at par with that of Government servants.The Family pension of even the widow/widower  of retired General Manager of a nationalised bank can not be more than 4,500 or so .There is no scope for revision of pension of employees of nationalised Banks.Hon,ble FM may take this into account.
P.Mohana Chandran

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Mahesh Khera <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear Honorable FM Sir, you command a brilliant eloquence when you speak on issues on TV, why have you fallen victim to your ignorance which is absolutely not your natural self. This intransigence for greatest, justified and incontrovertible OROP solution to restore the cheated and subverted honor of the Armed Forces since independence by the polity is foolish. Your becoming party to what your clever babus are telling you actually is a big boot to your own intellect which you have dumped it in the river by your own fool hardiness. Many people  like me who admire your eloquence to Barkha Datt on NDTV hitherto, have now zero respect for you only because of your own blindness to see the best AFs in the world being made to suffer with your one sided and lone brazenness. Hope you undo all of that and retrieve your self as you deserve much greater value to contribute to the nation lest people of this great country finish off your political career within 4-5 months in 2015 only. May God grant you sanity to quickly feel the rising pulse of the Armed Forces deployed on the sensitive borders with Pak and China. Remember, when trust of looking after the genuine needs gets lost due to unfair treatment being meted to soldiers from their own government since independence, the rank and file may go out of sanity and no General, Admiral or Air Chief Marshal can calm them down. Please think, it is not like Patels, Gujjars, Jats, Lok Pal etc, it is the safety, honor and welfare of the motherland from enemies of the nation waiting to exploit any mental chinks in the armour. Bharat Mata ki Jai, Vande Matram and Jai Hind. 

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Thursday, September 3, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] Sane Advice to Honorable FM on Armed Forces

Jaitley is settling scores with armed forces for reasons best known to him. Otherwise a lawyer of his standing will not ruin his reputation by resorting to lies while denying the OROP. I will try to explain.
He betrays his evil intention when he says that he is committed to OROP but has own definition and others may have theirs hoping that his sanctimonious speech will drown the fact that a definition of OROP had already been approved by the Parliament and will go unnoticed. 
When MOD has recommended and forwarded the case for just financial clearance why is Jaitley worried about difficulty in yearly revision or the world trend? It is MOD's problem.
He has been crying horse that yearly revisions if granted will push Indian economy into an abyss but reveals no figures. What a strange FM talking without figures and what a lawyer beating about the bush without facts! 
He then says that armed forces retire at 35-37 years of age and deserve OROP but in next breath he expresses apprehension that others will also claim it hoping that his exaggeration and imaginary claim will not be noticed. He knows well that no one else in country retires at the ages mentioned so where will the claim emanate from?.
Does one say any thing more about his intentions?
Ashok Coomar


On 1 September 2015 at 18:43, Mahesh Khera <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear Honorable FM Sir, you command a brilliant eloquence when you speak on issues on TV, why have you fallen victim to your ignorance which is absolutely not your natural self. This intransigence for greatest, justified and incontrovertible OROP solution to restore the cheated and subverted honor of the Armed Forces since independence by the polity is foolish. Your becoming party to what your clever babus are telling you actually is a big boot to your own intellect which you have dumped it in the river by your own fool hardiness. Many people  like me who admire your eloquence to Barkha Datt on NDTV hitherto, have now zero respect for you only because of your own blindness to see the best AFs in the world being made to suffer with your one sided and lone brazenness. Hope you undo all of that and retrieve your self as you deserve much greater value to contribute to the nation lest people of this great country finish off your political career within 4-5 months in 2015 only. May God grant you sanity to quickly feel the rising pulse of the Armed Forces deployed on the sensitive borders with Pak and China. Remember, when trust of looking after the genuine needs gets lost due to unfair treatment being meted to soldiers from their own government since independence, the rank and file may go out of sanity and no General, Admiral or Air Chief Marshal can calm them down. Please think, it is not like Patels, Gujjars, Jats, Lok Pal etc, it is the safety, honor and welfare of the motherland from enemies of the nation waiting to exploit any mental chinks in the armour. Bharat Mata ki Jai, Vande Matram and Jai Hind. 

With warm regards, 

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Re: [IAC#RG] Sane Advice to Honorable FM on Armed Forces

I wonder if the FM is getting to even read what is being said

Jai hind

Randhir

On Thursday, September 3, 2015, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com> wrote:
OROP shall be ,initially applied for armed forces pensioners and gradually to all employees of government and PSUs and PSBs .Revision of pension for employees of PSUs and PSBs shall be at par with that of Government servants.The Family pension of even the widow/widower  of retired General Manager of a nationalised bank can not be more than 4,500 or so .There is no scope for revision of pension of employees of nationalised Banks.Hon,ble FM may take this into account.
P.Mohana Chandran

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Mahesh Khera <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear Honorable FM Sir, you command a brilliant eloquence when you speak on issues on TV, why have you fallen victim to your ignorance which is absolutely not your natural self. This intransigence for greatest, justified and incontrovertible OROP solution to restore the cheated and subverted honor of the Armed Forces since independence by the polity is foolish. Your becoming party to what your clever babus are telling you actually is a big boot to your own intellect which you have dumped it in the river by your own fool hardiness. Many people  like me who admire your eloquence to Barkha Datt on NDTV hitherto, have now zero respect for you only because of your own blindness to see the best AFs in the world being made to suffer with your one sided and lone brazenness. Hope you undo all of that and retrieve your self as you deserve much greater value to contribute to the nation lest people of this great country finish off your political career within 4-5 months in 2015 only. May God grant you sanity to quickly feel the rising pulse of the Armed Forces deployed on the sensitive borders with Pak and China. Remember, when trust of looking after the genuine needs gets lost due to unfair treatment being meted to soldiers from their own government since independence, the rank and file may go out of sanity and no General, Admiral or Air Chief Marshal can calm them down. Please think, it is not like Patels, Gujjars, Jats, Lok Pal etc, it is the safety, honor and welfare of the motherland from enemies of the nation waiting to exploit any mental chinks in the armour. Bharat Mata ki Jai, Vande Matram and Jai Hind. 

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RE: [IAC#RG] Fwd: CONCERNED INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

'COMMENTARAO' IN "THE TELEGRAPH" OF

September 2 2015

Tough act to follow

- Possibilities of the AAP model if used in governing other cities

Commentarao - S.L. Rao

Most Indian cities are badly governed. Can the Aam Aadmi Party be a model for their better governance? Delhi is the national capital. Residents include the highest constitutional authorities, a huge bureaucracy, major public and private corporate headquarters, embassies, the international and local media, and many others. The city requires a secure and attractive environment. As the capital it must display the best of India. While the laws might make it a "state" it is unlike other states.
Delhi is almost entirely urban. Surrounded by states like Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Punjab and others, it is a corridor city with large migrant and floating populations. It is also a magnet for other Indians for employment, for lobbying with government departments, or just for visiting the historic and powerful city. Given the disparities in the population in age, cultural, educational and socio-economic factors, it has significant challenges. All Indian metropolitan cities face these challenges in greater or smaller measure.
The Delhi government has limited authority to govern and make laws. It cannot do so on public order, police and land. The principal agencies of change in Delhi are the Delhi Development Authority, the Municipal Corporation of Delhi, the New Delhi Municipal Council, the Cantonment Board and the police. Some of them have elected members who might belong to a party in opposition to the one ruling the state. Each agency functions autonomously, and reports to the Central government. Accountability to citizens is vague and so is supervision. Other cities have faced the same issues: multiple, sometimes overlapping, agencies, no coordination or direction, different state and municipal ruling parties.

About 49 per cent of the Delhi population, nearly 73.5 lakh people among 1.5 crore, live in slums and unauthorized colonies. Only 7.5 lakh Delhiites enjoy all civic amenities. Half are not connected to secure water and many live in homes not electrified, or not legally so. Government schools have absent teachers, poor quality teaching and poor sanitation. Health services are poor for them. Drainage is almost non-existent. Houses and roads often get flooded with stinking drain water. Corruption is rife at all levels and for all services. Other cities face these problems too. Their state governments give little support but collect much of the state revenues from them.
Arvind Kejriwal realized, after his India Against Corruption morphed into the AAP, that these slums and colonies would be his bastion, not the middle-class and traders who flocked to the IAC meetings. The poor wanted improvement in living, not speeches on good governance or budget deficits. Every major city has similar populations and challenges. Their underclass is unhappy and ready to be mobilized.
The AAP government has been about six months in power after the 49 days earlier. Has it delivered on promises? Can it be a model for other cities, also badly governed, corrupt, needing better roads and garbage clearance? Could local citizen movements in Bangalore, Mumbai or Chennai follow the Kejriwal route to leadership and reform?
The AAP government has announced free water supply to small users, halving power prices for small users. When retail onion prices rose to Rs 70 a kilogram, the government is subsidizing the prices to Rs 30. The cost to government of these measures is not known. The AAP claims (without evidence) that the low-level corruption that affects the majority has now almost stopped.
Kejriwal is a self-confessed anarchist. His governance style is confrontation, with the Centre, the media (that built him) and others. Serial confrontations with the Central government for more authority over the police, bureaucratic appointments, municipal bodies are an almost daily occurrence. Kejriwal asked the prime minister to help, but attacks him for not giving powers. He has moved from being a media-handling prodigy to a grump. Can new city leaders benefit their cities by continuous confrontations with their state governments for more resources and autonomy for their cities?
Bangalore, for example, has abysmal public services (roads, pavements, traffic management, garbage collection and disposal, violent crimes against women and children, a forever under-construction metro project. The Bangalore Agenda Task Force and the Bangalore Political Action Committee were movements led by professionals to improve Bangalore. They have not captured governance nor reformed the city. Nor have other metros with similar movements. Do they need a Kejriwal-type anarchist leadership?
The IAC was a mass agitation. It tapped into the public disgust at the large-scale thefts of public money and the deterioration of their city. Scams under the United Progressive Alliance reinforced the anger. Anna Hazare was a Kejriwal puppet leader whose simplicity of dress and speech made him seem Gandhian. A former soldier, in his seventies, he cleaned his village of Ralegaon Siddhi of corruption and alcohol consumption, improved its literacy and higher education, introduced better agricultural practices that brought prosperity to the villagers. Hazare was a scourge for corrupt Maharashtra politicians. There are such local leaders in other states too. A wannabe city leader looking to transform his city's governance will need to import such a person and build his visibility on such a reputation.
Leaders like Kejriwal can rise from among professional people in other cities. But they must be fiery activists, loud, brash, and even offensive in consistently demanding city reform. In Chennai, Mumbai, Bangalore and other metros, there are such concerned professionals. They use reason, not passion.
Kejriwal was an income-tax service officer who joined Aruna Roy to agitate for the Right to Information Act. He received the Magsaysay Award and learnt methods of public protest. He and Kiran Bedi, a professional police officer from Delhi, brought Hazare to Delhi to become the IAC's face. Kejriwal understood media manipulation. The anti-corruption protest agitated the media. Kejriwal got extensive television coverage and benefited from the proximity to Hazare's halo. He was always with Hazare on TV, often speaking for him. The public identified him with Anna Hazare.
The IAC's agitation was for getting a strong legislation for a lokpal. Once Hazare faded from the scene after a long fast, Kejriwal became its sole public face. He soon converted it into a political party. The lokpal was soon forgotten. Anna Hazare was not seen nor heard. Bedi went with Anna Hazare. Aruna Roy was not connected. In time Kejriwal also broke with his powerful supporters - the Bhushans and Yogendra Yadav. Any urban professional wanting to lead his city must have this ruthlessness, strong cynicism about causes and know when to drop them. He must be brutal in discarding colleagues who are no longer relevant to a revised purpose.
Kejriwal was now a self-described anarchist politician. He wooed the large numbers of people in Delhi's unauthorized colonies and slums. They fell for his promises of regularizing their status, providing housing, free water, cheap electricity and less of the corruption that affected them daily. He promised to (illegally) redistribute to consumers the "regulatory assets" of Delhi's electricity distribution companies. The illegality of the expropriation never bothered this former income tax officer. Such grand promises by a 'saintly' leader would be believed. In Delhi it ultimately got the AAP overwhelming votes. New urban leaders need chutzpa.
The 2014 Delhi elections made the AAP the largest party. With support from the publicly despised Congress, Kejriwal formed a government. He resigned after 49 days for specious reasons. The AAP's overwhelming majority in the next elections was helped by the Bharatiya Janata Party discarding a tried leader (Harsh Vardhan) for a brittle and uncharismatic Bedi.
The anti-corruption movement had attracted many lakhs of well-meaning sincere people from the urban middle class. They deserted Kejriwal after his frequent confrontations and grand promises. The large vote block of the poor remained.
The Kejriwal model calls for hard work over years in building a self-image of sacrifice and honesty, with ruthlessness, cynicism, and the ability to use and discard people. It needs the confidence to abandon issues in favour of other more relevant ones. Urban professionals will donate, march, and support but they are too soft to copy Kejriwal.

The author is former director-general, National Council of Applied Economic Researc

 



Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:03:59 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: CONCERNED INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

I personally think that using Vivekananda as an example is a poor
choice for this topic.

As his own sect has stated, Vivekananda may have left India as an
Indian, but he returned from USA, after about 3 years, as a fully
indoctrinated agent of US Capitalism to promote a foreign scripted
version of "Hinduism" which is utterly fake, materialistic and corrupt
(in all senses).

A long line of US financed and trained agents have thereafter been
promoting this same line of garbage, carefully designed to resonate
with the lumpens by their fascist / misogynist overlords. The RSS and
AAP both being prime examples of this ideology of US sponsored
"Vivekananda-ism" which is nothing the lowest Hindu doctrine of
selfishness (Karmayoga) being practised by trader communities for
millenia, and which is the root cause of most financial corruption in
India.

Sarbajit

On 8/22/15, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
> *To*
> *India Against Corruption*
> * CONCERNED
> INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA *
>
> *It is unrealistic to think that some leadership will come from somewhere
> to restore good and corruption free governance in India. In the past , it
> has been seen that those who were hailed as leaders of anti corruption
> movement have used the leadership position as platform to gain power and
> then become corrupt themselves.*
>
> *The real central issue in the country today is there is little resistance
> to corruption and fleecing at ground level. *
>
> *Resistance to small corruption will certainly have a chain effect and
> will put fear in the minds of the corrupt people at various levels in the
> course of time. *
>
> *Swami Vivekananda said *"*Give me **100** energetic* *young* *men and I
> shall transform India". The message of Swami Vivekananda is loud and clear.
> Obviously, what he stressed was that small group of people with
> determination to fight for the cause of probity and truth and defy unjust
> conditions can alone transform India. *
>
> *One cannot but recall that much publicised anti corruption movement
> launched by Anna Hazare lost its appeal too quickly, since Anna Hazare was
> only insisting on Lokpal and improvement of governance without making any
> efforts to improve the mindset of average Indian.*
>
> *The country now urgently needs such role models in nooks and corners.
> Such persons need not shout or agitate but should silently defy unjust
> demands at individual level. *
>
> *The campaign for corrupt free and nepotism free governance and ensuring
> corrupt free politics can certainly be achieved by a silent revolution on
> the part of the concerned Indians, who are now all over India in lakhs.
> They need to act at their own level and when sizable number of concerned
> citizens act even without any coordination , the positive impact will be
> seen sooner than later.*
> *The society and the media may not immediately recognise them but their act
> of courage and conviction will slowly percolate and give confidence to
> others that such defiance towards the cause of truth is possible by
> individuals and would be worthwhile. Such crusaders need to have patience
> and faith in the ultimate triumph of good over evil.*
>
> *N.S.Venkataraman*
> *Nandini Voice for the Deprived*
> *nandinivoice.com <http://nandinivoice.com> *
>

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Wednesday, September 2, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] Sane Advice to Honorable FM on Armed Forces

Dear Col Kumaran and Friends all,

On the issue of OROP one has wondered, who really speaking is making a monkey of the politicians / thus the leadership. It seems to get clearer after reading your submission, and what you say further, as follows:

"Secondly, his  losing of elections from Amritsar has infuriated him and he blames the exservicemen for it.Hence this grudge against the Armed Forces."

Such grudges can be suicidal, nationally. Our security, freedom from attacks by our current enemies, has to be handled by the same armed services who or the Veterans (from among them, only) should not be made a mockery of, the way the rounds at Jantar Mantar are demonstrating. In view of the TV Channels the subject has got international ramifications.
Cannot our national President intervene with the PM and the FM and get the confusing subject, laid to rest ?
Or, get the subject handled the way the Parliament and the Courts have decreed ?
Babugiri will, the way its evolving may leave the nation in such an embarrassing + a critical situation. Does not the PM see that ?

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On 3 September 2015 at 10:03, PA Kumaran <pakumaran@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Mahesh Khera,

1.    I am in total agreement with your views. While the FM is eloquent in his speech and the understanding of the subject, in this case on OROP, he seems to have been fooled or made to believe unconvinced ideas prompted by the bureaucracy . Just to quote one of the recent statement of Fm " Where in the world do you have yearly revision of pension" . Govt servants have yearly increment in salary, based on their pay band. With this increase, the pension calculations will also change. If OROP has been accepted in principle, this also needs acceptance, as otherwise after one year, the pension rates will change - which is against the very base of OROP. Bureaucrats have cleverly suggested pension parity adjustments once in 2 or 5 years. To calculate, after one year, the parity changes and if after 2 years it is adjusted, the increase in the first year to second year is lost for 12 months. Likewise, if it is considered after 5 years, the increase in first 4 years is lost. Hence their logic is not acceptable. Mind you, this is one such small example. There are many such issues wherein the bureaucrats have systematically downgraded the Armed Forces.

Secondly, his  losing of elections from Amritsar has infuriated him and he blames the exservicemen for it.Hence this grudge against the Armed Forces.

May God bestow good sense in FM to look into the OROP in its original form which has been approved by both he Parliments and the Supreme Court., and not dilute it. Infact Supreme Court has issued a Contempt Of Court to Union of India for not implementing OROP in time..

With Regards
Col PA Kumaran (Retd)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Mahesh Khera <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear Honorable FM Sir, you command a brilliant eloquence when you speak on issues on TV, why have you fallen victim to your ignorance which is absolutely not your natural self. This intransigence for greatest, justified and incontrovertible OROP solution to restore the cheated and subverted honor of the Armed Forces since independence by the polity is foolish. Your becoming party to what your clever babus are telling you actually is a big boot to your own intellect which you have dumped it in the river by your own fool hardiness. Many people  like me who admire your eloquence to Barkha Datt on NDTV hitherto, have now zero respect for you only because of your own blindness to see the best AFs in the world being made to suffer with your one sided and lone brazenness. Hope you undo all of that and retrieve your self as you deserve much greater value to contribute to the nation lest people of this great country finish off your political career within 4-5 months in 2015 only. May God grant you sanity to quickly feel the rising pulse of the Armed Forces deployed on the sensitive borders with Pak and China. Remember, when trust of looking after the genuine needs gets lost due to unfair treatment being meted to soldiers from their own government since independence, the rank and file may go out of sanity and no General, Admiral or Air Chief Marshal can calm them down. Please think, it is not like Patels, Gujjars, Jats, Lok Pal etc, it is the safety, honor and welfare of the motherland from enemies of the nation waiting to exploit any mental chinks in the armour. Bharat Mata ki Jai, Vande Matram and Jai Hind. 

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Re: [IAC#RG] Sane Advice to Honorable FM on Armed Forces

When 45% of defence pensions outlay is consumed by 22% of civilians in MoD (see attachment), can Arun Jaitly explain whether these civilians are getting weekly, monthly or yearly revision of pensions. And then, why the haggling with military veterans that revision of their pensions cannot be every year as was the pre-1973 case, is recommended by the Koshyari Committee and accepted by the UPA and NDA II governments in Parliament? Please also read OROP – the long and short of it: http://hillpost.in/2015/09/orop-the-long-and-short-of-it/104135/


 

And do read the Koshyari Committee Report (accepted by UPA and NDA II Parliaments that explicitely explains why no other government service can be compared to Armed Forces:  http://www.rajeev.in/One_Rank_One_Pension/Report_Dec192011.pdf


On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:03 AM, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com> wrote:
OROP shall be ,initially applied for armed forces pensioners and gradually to all employees of government and PSUs and PSBs .Revision of pension for employees of PSUs and PSBs shall be at par with that of Government servants.The Family pension of even the widow/widower  of retired General Manager of a nationalised bank can not be more than 4,500 or so .There is no scope for revision of pension of employees of nationalised Banks.Hon,ble FM may take this into account.
P.Mohana Chandran

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Mahesh Khera <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear Honorable FM Sir, you command a brilliant eloquence when you speak on issues on TV, why have you fallen victim to your ignorance which is absolutely not your natural self. This intransigence for greatest, justified and incontrovertible OROP solution to restore the cheated and subverted honor of the Armed Forces since independence by the polity is foolish. Your becoming party to what your clever babus are telling you actually is a big boot to your own intellect which you have dumped it in the river by your own fool hardiness. Many people  like me who admire your eloquence to Barkha Datt on NDTV hitherto, have now zero respect for you only because of your own blindness to see the best AFs in the world being made to suffer with your one sided and lone brazenness. Hope you undo all of that and retrieve your self as you deserve much greater value to contribute to the nation lest people of this great country finish off your political career within 4-5 months in 2015 only. May God grant you sanity to quickly feel the rising pulse of the Armed Forces deployed on the sensitive borders with Pak and China. Remember, when trust of looking after the genuine needs gets lost due to unfair treatment being meted to soldiers from their own government since independence, the rank and file may go out of sanity and no General, Admiral or Air Chief Marshal can calm them down. Please think, it is not like Patels, Gujjars, Jats, Lok Pal etc, it is the safety, honor and welfare of the motherland from enemies of the nation waiting to exploit any mental chinks in the armour. Bharat Mata ki Jai, Vande Matram and Jai Hind. 

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Re: [IAC#RG] Ref: Your email dated Jun 02, 2015.

To:
Shri Mangu Singh
CMD, Delhi Metro Rail Corporation

Dear Sir

I regret to say that you / DMRC staff / officers have been unable to
reply to my email below for almost 2 months now,

It is quite evident that you / DMRC have no answer to my documented
contention that DMRC is grossly overloading its coaches by a factor of
5, as compared to say China, and thereby you are willfully endangering
the lives of millions of DMRC commuters each day by your corrupt
actions. It is also evident that DMRC has no qualified persons on its
rolls who can reply to me on scientific basis as I had requested.

Accordingly, I strongly urge you to reform and correct your organisation.

PS: Kindly acknowledge receipt of this grievance email, indicating
therein a time to resolution, if any.

Sincerely

Sarbajit Roy
New Delhi

On 7/8/15, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> To:
> Shri Mangu Singh
> CMD, Delhi Metro Rail Corporation
>
> Dear Sir
>
> Kind find below yet another foolish and evasive reply from your Customer
> Service Department. The India Against Corruption andolan takes strong
> objection to such replies from any public authority.
>
> This kind of reply betrays the arrogant persons within your organisation
> who treat Indian citizens like cattle and turds. I wonder when you last
> traveled on your own metro rail service at peak hours as a normal
> passenger, or who was the corrupt person/s who approved/suggested single
> line operations on Mandi House-ITO section.
>
> I am astounded to learn that your coaches are designed for a passenger
> density of 8pax/sq.m ie on a weight basis of 500 kg/m2. Do you forget we
> users of your system are humans and not COALS or CATTLE to be transported
> on a weight basis.
>
> Can you deny that the same BOMBARDIER MOVIA rakes/coaches measuring 139m x
> 3 m (ie 6 coaches of approx 23mx3 m) for which you run at 8pax/m2 ie. 3,000
> pax per rake are used to transport about 600 pax on the Shangai metro lines
> in same plan configuration. In Shanghai these MOVIA 6 coach rakes are
> configured for 288 seats and 310 standees as per Bombardier's website
>
> It is very clear that DMRC is overloading its rakes by a design factor of 5
> as compared to China. It is also not known on what anthropometric
> measurements DMRC has relied on to arrive at the figure of 8 pax/m2.
> Certainly your train / tunnel HVAC systems are inadequate to cater to such
> crush densities. The other medical basis of orthopedic, fatigue, stress,
> transmission of air-borne germs, fomites, etc for long distance standing
> travel is also dubious and a SAFETY HAZARD. Obviously Shri R.K Kardam CMRS
> is very well paid to overlook such corruption and to stick on as CMRS for
> so many years now.
>
> The India Against Corruption movement would therefore appreciate a proper
> reply from a qualified senior officer of DMRC in reply to our complaint,
> instead of from such placebo replies from junior fools.
>
> Kindly reply within 7 days with a proper and scientific reply as IAC does
> not suffer such disrespect lightly.
>
> sincerely
>
> Er. Sarbajit Roy
> Mob: 8010205897
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 11:31 AM, helpline wrote:
>
>> No. DMRC/PC&S/2015/0257
>>
>> Dear Madam/Sir,
>>
>> Thank you for patronizing our services and writing to us.
>>
>> With reference to your email dated Jun 02, 2015, we would like to inform
>> you that we are not in receipt of your previous email dated May 19, 2015.
>>
>> However, with regards to your suggestion regarding no. of coaches, we
>> would like to inform that DMRC is committed to provide best facilities to
>> its commuters in safe environment and proceed towards DMRC?s vision of
>> Commuting experience in Delhi Metro to be customer?s delight.
>>
>> We would also like to inform that keeping pace with the growth of
>> ridership, 74 no. of coaches have been added during last two years on
>> blue
>> line. The coaches are being procured and will be supplied by the end of
>> 2016. DMRC is maintaining the headway of 2 min. 36 sec. in morning and 2
>> min. 45 sec in evening to cater the commuters? movement.
>>
>> The deployment of Customer Facilitation Agents (CFAs) at platforms has
>> been made keeping in mind the level of crowding.
>>
>> DMRC trains have been designed for a loading of 8 persons/m2 i.e. 544
>> kg/m2. The patronage of 2.4 million passengers every day and accolades
>> from
>> our esteemed commuters is a testimony of this. Thus it can be appreciated
>> that in Delhi Metro, it is our endeavour to provide safe and comfortable
>> service to our commuters.
>>
>> Assuring you of our best services.
>>
>>
>> Yours sincerely
>>
>>
>> (Prateek Seth)
>> Public Complaints Officer
>>
>>
>> Disclaimer :
>> This email communication may contain privileged and confidential
>> information and is intended for the use of the addressee only.If you are
>> not an intended recipient you are requested not to reproduce,copy
>> disseminate or in any manner distribute this email communication as the
>> same is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error,
>> Please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete
>> the communication sent in error.Email communications cannot be guaranteed
>> to be secure & error free and DMRC is not liable for any errors in the
>> email communication or for the proper, timely and complete transmission
>> thereof.
>> Print this email only in case of urgent necessity, save paper save earth.
>>
>

Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: CONCERNED INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

I personally think that using Vivekananda as an example is a poor
choice for this topic.

As his own sect has stated, Vivekananda may have left India as an
Indian, but he returned from USA, after about 3 years, as a fully
indoctrinated agent of US Capitalism to promote a foreign scripted
version of "Hinduism" which is utterly fake, materialistic and corrupt
(in all senses).

A long line of US financed and trained agents have thereafter been
promoting this same line of garbage, carefully designed to resonate
with the lumpens by their fascist / misogynist overlords. The RSS and
AAP both being prime examples of this ideology of US sponsored
"Vivekananda-ism" which is nothing the lowest Hindu doctrine of
selfishness (Karmayoga) being practised by trader communities for
millenia, and which is the root cause of most financial corruption in
India.

Sarbajit

On 8/22/15, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
> *To*
> *India Against Corruption*
> * CONCERNED
> INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA *
>
> *It is unrealistic to think that some leadership will come from somewhere
> to restore good and corruption free governance in India. In the past , it
> has been seen that those who were hailed as leaders of anti corruption
> movement have used the leadership position as platform to gain power and
> then become corrupt themselves.*
>
> *The real central issue in the country today is there is little resistance
> to corruption and fleecing at ground level. *
>
> *Resistance to small corruption will certainly have a chain effect and
> will put fear in the minds of the corrupt people at various levels in the
> course of time. *
>
> *Swami Vivekananda said *"*Give me **100** energetic* *young* *men and I
> shall transform India". The message of Swami Vivekananda is loud and clear.
> Obviously, what he stressed was that small group of people with
> determination to fight for the cause of probity and truth and defy unjust
> conditions can alone transform India. *
>
> *One cannot but recall that much publicised anti corruption movement
> launched by Anna Hazare lost its appeal too quickly, since Anna Hazare was
> only insisting on Lokpal and improvement of governance without making any
> efforts to improve the mindset of average Indian.*
>
> *The country now urgently needs such role models in nooks and corners.
> Such persons need not shout or agitate but should silently defy unjust
> demands at individual level. *
>
> *The campaign for corrupt free and nepotism free governance and ensuring
> corrupt free politics can certainly be achieved by a silent revolution on
> the part of the concerned Indians, who are now all over India in lakhs.
> They need to act at their own level and when sizable number of concerned
> citizens act even without any coordination , the positive impact will be
> seen sooner than later.*
> *The society and the media may not immediately recognise them but their act
> of courage and conviction will slowly percolate and give confidence to
> others that such defiance towards the cause of truth is possible by
> individuals and would be worthwhile. Such crusaders need to have patience
> and faith in the ultimate triumph of good over evil.*
>
> *N.S.Venkataraman*
> *Nandini Voice for the Deprived*
> *nandinivoice.com <http://nandinivoice.com> *
>

Re: [IAC#RG] Sane Advice to Honorable FM on Armed Forces

Dear Mr Mahesh Khera,

1.    I am in total agreement with your views. While the FM is eloquent in his speech and the understanding of the subject, in this case on OROP, he seems to have been fooled or made to believe unconvinced ideas prompted by the bureaucracy . Just to quote one of the recent statement of Fm " Where in the world do you have yearly revision of pension" . Govt servants have yearly increment in salary, based on their pay band. With this increase, the pension calculations will also change. If OROP has been accepted in principle, this also needs acceptance, as otherwise after one year, the pension rates will change - which is against the very base of OROP. Bureaucrats have cleverly suggested pension parity adjustments once in 2 or 5 years. To calculate, after one year, the parity changes and if after 2 years it is adjusted, the increase in the first year to second year is lost for 12 months. Likewise, if it is considered after 5 years, the increase in first 4 years is lost. Hence their logic is not acceptable. Mind you, this is one such small example. There are many such issues wherein the bureaucrats have systematically downgraded the Armed Forces.

Secondly, his  losing of elections from Amritsar has infuriated him and he blames the exservicemen for it.Hence this grudge against the Armed Forces.

May God bestow good sense in FM to look into the OROP in its original form which has been approved by both he Parliments and the Supreme Court., and not dilute it. Infact Supreme Court has issued a Contempt Of Court to Union of India for not implementing OROP in time..

With Regards
Col PA Kumaran (Retd)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Mahesh Khera <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear Honorable FM Sir, you command a brilliant eloquence when you speak on issues on TV, why have you fallen victim to your ignorance which is absolutely not your natural self. This intransigence for greatest, justified and incontrovertible OROP solution to restore the cheated and subverted honor of the Armed Forces since independence by the polity is foolish. Your becoming party to what your clever babus are telling you actually is a big boot to your own intellect which you have dumped it in the river by your own fool hardiness. Many people  like me who admire your eloquence to Barkha Datt on NDTV hitherto, have now zero respect for you only because of your own blindness to see the best AFs in the world being made to suffer with your one sided and lone brazenness. Hope you undo all of that and retrieve your self as you deserve much greater value to contribute to the nation lest people of this great country finish off your political career within 4-5 months in 2015 only. May God grant you sanity to quickly feel the rising pulse of the Armed Forces deployed on the sensitive borders with Pak and China. Remember, when trust of looking after the genuine needs gets lost due to unfair treatment being meted to soldiers from their own government since independence, the rank and file may go out of sanity and no General, Admiral or Air Chief Marshal can calm them down. Please think, it is not like Patels, Gujjars, Jats, Lok Pal etc, it is the safety, honor and welfare of the motherland from enemies of the nation waiting to exploit any mental chinks in the armour. Bharat Mata ki Jai, Vande Matram and Jai Hind. 

With warm regards, 

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With Regards,
Col PA Kumaran (Retd)

Re: [IAC#RG] Sane Advice to Honorable FM on Armed Forces

Good one Mahesh,

The FM needs a boot out. Why he can't control the MP's and MLA's who draw pension for one day of attendance?
And all that goes for the AF's is not applicable to these politicians?

rgds
rahul kumar (Veteran)
On 01-Sep-2015, at 6:43 pm, Mahesh Khera (via indiaresists Mailing List) <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Dear Honorable FM Sir, you command a brilliant eloquence when you speak on issues on TV, why have you fallen victim to your ignorance which is absolutely not your natural self. This intransigence for greatest, justified and incontrovertible OROP solution to restore the cheated and subverted honor of the Armed Forces since independence by the polity is foolish. Your becoming party to what your clever babus are telling you actually is a big boot to your own intellect which you have dumped it in the river by your own fool hardiness. Many people  like me who admire your eloquence to Barkha Datt on NDTV hitherto, have now zero respect for you only because of your own blindness to see the best AFs in the world being made to suffer with your one sided and lone brazenness. Hope you undo all of that and retrieve your self as you deserve much greater value to contribute to the nation lest people of this great country finish off your political career within 4-5 months in 2015 only. May God grant you sanity to quickly feel the rising pulse of the Armed Forces deployed on the sensitive borders with Pak and China. Remember, when trust of looking after the genuine needs gets lost due to unfair treatment being meted to soldiers from their own government since independence, the rank and file may go out of sanity and no General, Admiral or Air Chief Marshal can calm them down. Please think, it is not like Patels, Gujjars, Jats, Lok Pal etc, it is the safety, honor and welfare of the motherland from enemies of the nation waiting to exploit any mental chinks in the armour. Bharat Mata ki Jai, Vande Matram and Jai Hind. 

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Re: [IAC#RG] Sane Advice to Honorable FM on Armed Forces

OROP shall be ,initially applied for armed forces pensioners and gradually to all employees of government and PSUs and PSBs .Revision of pension for employees of PSUs and PSBs shall be at par with that of Government servants.The Family pension of even the widow/widower  of retired General Manager of a nationalised bank can not be more than 4,500 or so .There is no scope for revision of pension of employees of nationalised Banks.Hon,ble FM may take this into account.
P.Mohana Chandran

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Mahesh Khera <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear Honorable FM Sir, you command a brilliant eloquence when you speak on issues on TV, why have you fallen victim to your ignorance which is absolutely not your natural self. This intransigence for greatest, justified and incontrovertible OROP solution to restore the cheated and subverted honor of the Armed Forces since independence by the polity is foolish. Your becoming party to what your clever babus are telling you actually is a big boot to your own intellect which you have dumped it in the river by your own fool hardiness. Many people  like me who admire your eloquence to Barkha Datt on NDTV hitherto, have now zero respect for you only because of your own blindness to see the best AFs in the world being made to suffer with your one sided and lone brazenness. Hope you undo all of that and retrieve your self as you deserve much greater value to contribute to the nation lest people of this great country finish off your political career within 4-5 months in 2015 only. May God grant you sanity to quickly feel the rising pulse of the Armed Forces deployed on the sensitive borders with Pak and China. Remember, when trust of looking after the genuine needs gets lost due to unfair treatment being meted to soldiers from their own government since independence, the rank and file may go out of sanity and no General, Admiral or Air Chief Marshal can calm them down. Please think, it is not like Patels, Gujjars, Jats, Lok Pal etc, it is the safety, honor and welfare of the motherland from enemies of the nation waiting to exploit any mental chinks in the armour. Bharat Mata ki Jai, Vande Matram and Jai Hind. 

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: CONCERNED INDIANS CAN CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

Hi,

We should move to COMPLETE cashless economy. Complete cashless economy provides end-to-end traceability Terrorism is funded by money earned from money laundering and drugs. In the complete cashless economy,you can trace    the malpractice such as bribery also at the source. Cashless Economy checks the corruption at the source. Pl refer my blog http://samirsrivastava.typepad.com for slides and paper on this. It lists the reason for the people to vote for this change also which was not brought earlier.

Thanks
Samir


On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Ranga Rao <dsrangarao@gmail.com> wrote:
In full concurrence with Mr. Venkataraman. Corruption, like charity, begins at home and it should be resisted from our doorstep itself. Unless each one of us do our bit in preventing corruption in any form in day to day matters, no use clamouring for Lokpals and Lokayuktas or CVC and CBI. 







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On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:


To
India Against Corruption
                                                          CONCERNED  INDIANS   CAN  CHANGE FACE OF INDIA

It is unrealistic to think that some leadership will come from somewhere to restore good and corruption free governance in India.  In the past , it has been seen that those who were hailed as leaders of  anti corruption movement  have  used the leadership position as platform to  gain power and then become corrupt themselves.

The real central issue in the country today is there is little resistance to corruption and fleecing at ground level.

Resistance to small corruption will certainly have a chain effect and will  put fear in the minds of the corrupt people at various levels  in the course of time.

Swami Vivekananda said   "Give me 100 energetic young men and I shall transform India". The message of Swami Vivekananda is loud and clear. Obviously, what he stressed  was that small group of people  with determination to fight for  the cause of probity and truth and defy unjust conditions can alone transform India.

One cannot but recall that much publicised anti corruption movement launched by Anna Hazare lost its appeal too quickly,  since Anna Hazare was only insisting on Lokpal and improvement of governance without making any efforts to improve the mindset of average Indian.

The country now urgently needs such role models in nooks and corners.  Such persons need not shout or agitate but  should silently defy unjust demands at individual level.

The campaign for corrupt free and nepotism free governance and  ensuring corrupt free politics can certainly be achieved by a silent revolution on the part of the concerned Indians, who are now all over India in lakhs. They need to act at their own level and when sizable number of concerned citizens act  even without any coordination , the positive  impact will be seen sooner than later.

The society and the media may not immediately recognise them but their act of courage and conviction will slowly percolate and give confidence to others that such defiance towards the cause  of truth is possible by individuals and would be worthwhile. Such crusaders need to have patience and faith in the ultimate triumph of good over evil.

N.S.Venkataraman
Nandini Voice for the Deprived
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